Danielson's affidavit

[rhubroma]

Something of interest

http://d3epuodzu3wuis.cloudfront.net/Danielson,+Tom+Affidavit.pdf

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Having not spend too much time on the details, can you give us a few hints as to what is interesting?

 

[Benotti69]

Danielson doesn't out his own doping prior to going to europe in that affadavit.

Steve Tilford did though,

http://stevetilford.com/2012/09/06/vaughters-outs-danielson/

When a guy struggles at the collegiate level in MTB racing and then all of a suddenly can out climb just about any rider in the US over one winter, he gathers tons of attention.

It also point so how JV manages the 'truth'.

 

[sniper]

You gotta wonder why vaughters was interested in danielson.
you also gotta wonder wtf garmin are doing in girona.
Danielson describes that he was anxious to start blooansfusionprogram, but once he was on the program, the whole bloodbag/transfusion thing scared the **** out of him, which to some extent i find credible.

And cannondale dont look too good, but what else is new.

 

[ralphbert]

These garmin choads are making me start to root for Bruyneel. I hope he throws them all under the bus. Except contador of course, at least he is entertaining, aggressive on the bike and doesn't blah blah about poor me, the nasty Belgium made me do it.

 

[ralphbert]

Just once I would like one of these spoons to say, I wanted to win, I did what was necessary. That would garner more respect imo.

 

[Samson777]

Danielson doesn't out his own doping prior to going to europe in that affadavit.

Steve Tilford did though,

http://stevetilford.com/2012/09/06/vaughters-outs-danielson/



It also point so how JV manages the 'truth'.

Sounds a bit like how a old colleague described the chicken, went from some what average, to become MTB world champion. http://www.dr.dk/Sporten/Cykling/2013/02/14/160409.htm

Anyway, the fact that JV is in Girona, is just SO typical pro cycling. Maybe it doesn mean anything bad, but still.. We don't know that, and it doesn't help you get the feeling that things are changing.. Of course it's a minor minor thing. It would help JV's case more if speeds where actually down. But maybe he should aim lower, like saying "we are clean because we are not in Girona".

 

[Samson777]

These garmin choads are making me start to root for Bruyneel. I hope he throws them all under the bus. Except contador of course, at least he is entertaining, aggressive on the bike and doesn't blah blah about poor me, the nasty Belgium made me do it.

Yes, I kinda feel the same. Well I would not say rooting for Bruynell, but at least root for him to bring the Garmin stuff to the light, and even more interesting, to share what he know's about what the **** the deal is/was with the Schlecks.

 

[SundayRider]

Sounds a bit like how a old colleague described the chicken, went from some what average, to become MTB world champion. http://www.dr.dk/Sporten/Cykling/2013/02/14/160409.htm

Anyway, the fact that JV is in Girona, is just SO typical pro cycling. Maybe it doesn mean anything bad, but still.. We don't know that, and it doesn't help you get the feeling that things are changing.. Of course it's a minor minor thing. It would help JV's case more if speeds where actually down. But maybe he should aim lower, like saying "we are clean because we are not in Girona".

There only based in Girona for the training

 

[Benotti69]

Sounds a bit like how a old colleague described the chicken, went from some what average, to become MTB world champion. http://www.dr.dk/Sporten/Cykling/2013/02/14/160409.htm

Anyway, the fact that JV is in Girona, is just SO typical pro cycling. Maybe it doesn mean anything bad, but still.. We don't know that, and it doesn't help you get the feeling that things are changing.. Of course it's a minor minor thing. It would help JV's case more if speeds where actually down. But maybe he should aim lower, like saying "we are clean because we are not in Girona".

Vaughter's has stopped with the 'cleaner cycling' from what i can see or read. No one was buying it except Sky fans.

 

[sniper]

Just once I would like one of these spoons to say, I wanted to win, I did what was necessary. That would garner more respect imo.

to be fair, danielson does actually say that.
says he was anxious to get on the bloodprogram in order to be more competitive inthe gts.

 

[Hemassist]

to be fair, danielson does actually say that.
says he was anxious to get on the bloodprogram in order to be more competitive inthe gts.

To be fair, the affidavit is just the information for the reasoned decision. It's not every detail that he told USADA, just what they needed to document for the case. They should have everything else about doping in the US.

"This affidavit is not exhaustive summary of my testimoney..."

 

[Dear Wiggo]

The final " I joined Garmin so I could ride clean " bits were somewhat unpleasant reading.

 

[rhubroma]

Having not spend too much time on the details, can you give us a few hints as to what is interesting?

Just the whole narrative aspect of it, not that the details were at all surprising.

 

[IzzyStradlin]

To be fair, the affidavit is just the information for the reasoned decision. It's not every detail that he told USADA, just what they needed to document for the case. They should have everything else about doping in the US.

But he definitely implies that he was not doping before Fassa:

I did not see how I could improve as much as expected as quickly as Ferretti was expecting it.

At one point I was called into a meeting with Ferretti and he asked me if I had a
doctor. I said “no” and he just laughed at me.

This is rich, I mean who isn't mainlining their vitamins?:

On Fassa Bortolo I had learned to inject vitamins intravenously so I was fairly
comfortable injecting myself.

 

[More Strides than Rides]

These garmin choads are making me start to root for Bruyneel. I hope he throws them all under the bus. Except contador of course, at least he is entertaining, aggressive on the bike and doesn't blah blah about poor me, the nasty Belgium made me do it.

Agreed. I find myself wanting Garmin as an entity to succeed, but want most of the principal riders or management gone from the sport...

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Just the whole narrative aspect of it, not that the details were at all surprising.

ok, thanks.
TT and Garmin made a nice deal to nail LA. Well done. I personally like the targeted approach. Often yields better results.

As for broader anti dope movement, it was a poor effort. At least until now.

 

[Hemassist]

But he definitely implies that he was not doping before Fassa:



This is rich, I mean who isn't mainlining their vitamins?:

His affidavit doesn't say when he started though. A lot of the other riders say, "And then I took my first (test/cortisone/EPO) and felt fine, oddly refreshed."

The lack of that phrasing in Danielson's affidavit strikes me as odd.

I suspect he was doping, but it wasn't organized and was just a quick boost before races. Also, it wouldn't surprise me if he was more conservative due to fears or getting caught (leading to the Ferrari introduction to microdosing).

 

[del1962]

The team doctor (who is currently the team doctor for Liquigas - Cannondale) said that some riders had second or third apartments which they used to store their performance enhancing drugs.

 

[Samson777]

Vaughter's has stopped with the 'cleaner cycling' from what i can see or read. No one was buying it except Sky fans.

JV has a lot to answer for, if he convinced the SKY fans about the "new clean area"

 

[DirtyWorks]

I suspect he was doping, but it wasn't organized and was just a quick boost before races. Also, it wouldn't surprise me if he was more conservative due to fears or getting caught (leading to the Ferrari introduction to microdosing).

Per Tilford's post, he was doping at lower ranks. Rick Crawford!!! Come on down!!!

Crawford continues to coach Danielson and other professional cyclists.
http://www.gjsentinel.com/news/articles/busted-doping-scandal-snares-cmu-cycling-coach/

Rick "coached" a number of athletes to good elite results and was sorry to get busted. My recollection of his current status as an employed cycling coach with some university ended due to doping controversy. Finally.

 

[rhubroma]

But he definitely implies that he was not doping before Fassa:



This is rich, I mean who isn't mainlining their vitamins?:

Oh, yea, those vitamins. That's what they say.

 

[pmcg76]

Sounds a bit like how a old colleague described the chicken, went from some what average, to become MTB world champion. http://www.dr.dk/Sporten/Cykling/2013/02/14/160409.htm

Anyway, the fact that JV is in Girona, is just SO typical pro cycling. Maybe it doesn mean anything bad, but still.. We don't know that, and it doesn't help you get the feeling that things are changing.. Of course it's a minor minor thing. It would help JV's case more if speeds where actually down. But maybe he should aim lower, like saying "we are clean because we are not in Girona".

The whole Girona doping haven has been discredited a thousand times now yet not surprising that sniper brings it up yet again. Anyone who has read any of the books/affidavits would comprehend that. Tyler Hamilton was flying to Madrid for his blood transfusions/Floyd talks about travelling down to Valencia for Del Moral as do others and various riders talk about people dropping off stuff on their way to France. Sure you could dope in Girona but you could dope anywhere. If Girona is a doping haven, why are teams flying off to Tenerife for example? How many SKY riders are based in Girona?

Where exactly would a team base itself to show a cleaner approach, France??? I already mentioned about doctors/managers dropping off stuff in Girona on their way to France with doping products. The same country were Postal were doing transfusions on the side of the road/at Tour stage finishes/ Floyd + Levi doing their own transfusions in France by renting a house. I think quite a few SKY riders are based around Nice which is the home of Motoman of course. If France was the bastion of clean cycling, surely there would be no doping at the Tour as the risk is so much higher in France.

If the likes of SKY/OPQS/Astana/Movistar/Katusha are considered the dodgiest team's why are none of them based in Girona if it is a doping haven?

Girona got a bad name when Armstrong moved there because he was paranoid the French were deliberatley targeting him and he wanted out of France, not that he couldn't dope in France. He could have gone anywhere but went to Girona because most of Postal had been based there from before Festina.

You can dope anywhere if you really want to so being based in Girona means nothing other than you live in a beautiful city with great training roads, fantastic weather and a very convenient airport for travel to the rest of Europe.

 

[pastronef]

Girona got a bad name when Armstrong moved there because he was paranoid the French were deliberatley targeting him and he wanted out of France, not that he couldn't dope in France. He could have gone anywhere but went to Girona because most of Postal had been based there from before Festina.

You can dope anywhere if you really want to so being based in Girona means nothing other than you live in a beautiful city with great training roads, fantastic weather and a very convenient airport for travel to the rest of Europe.

when he came out of retirement in 2009-2010 he went back to live on the Cote d'Azur, near Nice again. he trained there with Popo and some others.

 

[ralphbert]

to be fair, danielson does actually say that.
says he was anxious to get on the bloodprogram in order to be more competitive inthe gts.

Yes that's true I guess.