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Dr. Michael Ashenden's testimony ?

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i think he'd be considering everyones opinion, i hope ashendens quite closely, and the way WADA has suddenly flexed its tiny muscles, i feel novitsky is up every ones *** bigtime at the moment, i would absolutely hate to be fat pat right now
 
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Will Novitsky consider Dr. Michael Asheden's expert opinion ?

an interesting read:
http://fraudbytes.blogspot.com/2010/09/lance-armstrong-investigation-expert.html

a long but very interesting read:
http://nyvelocity.com/content/interviews/2009/michael-ashenden
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He states the odds of the lab spiking the samples are about 1 in 300, but it seems to me the odds of picking 6 samples correctly belong to LA from the 87 samples are similar to the odds of winning the MegaMillions lottery which is more like 1 in 300 million;this weakens any defence from Pharmstrong at the Grand Jury
 
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Hillavoider said:
i think he'd be considering everyones opinion, i hope ashendens quite closely, and the way WADA has suddenly flexed its tiny muscles, i feel novitsky is up every ones *** bigtime at the moment, i would absolutely hate to be fat pat right now
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WADA may have tiny muscles but providing evidence for an 800 lb gorilla is dramatic in a way the sport hasn't dealt with. We're talking about the case against LA initially but this has implications on Contador, Mosquera and anyone else that has a positive from here on out. The size of the UCI's Governing male member is shrinking quicker than George Costanza's in the Hampton's autumn surf and the more of this collective disclosure that occurs the quicker the reality will sink in to whomever emerges as the real authority in cycling. Heinz and Pat's legacy is disappearing quickly, I hope.
 
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Hillavoider said:
i think he'd be considering everyones opinion, i hope ashendens quite closely, and the way WADA has suddenly flexed its tiny muscles, i feel novitsky is up every ones *** bigtime at the moment, i would absolutely hate to be fat pat right now
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Cool then he will also be considering the opinion of the panel that found the Ashenden testing protocols to be invalid and WADA in breach of most ethical conduct methodologies.
 
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WADA may have tiny muscles but providing evidence for an 800 lb gorilla is dramatic in a way the sport hasn't dealt with. We're talking about the case against LA initially but this has implications on Contador, Mosquera and anyone else that has a positive from here on out. The size of the UCI's Governing male member is shrinking quicker than George Costanza's in the Hampton's autumn surf and the more of this collective disclosure that occurs the quicker the reality will sink in to whomever emerges as the real authority in cycling. Heinz and Pat's legacy is disappearing quickly, I hope.
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nice post, you manage to work in penis jokes and a seinfeld reference while making a serious point which isn't easy to do. ;)

i've been thinking (hoping) for awhile that the implications may reach even farther than just the sport of cycling and may include other high profile athletes/sports. i may be reading too far into comments made the other day but i'm hoping this is a bigger and uglier BALCO, only time will tell.
 
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Cool then he will also be considering the opinion of the panel that found the Ashenden testing protocols to be invalid and WADA in breach of most ethical conduct methodologies.
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What panel is this?
 
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The guy is more desperate for attention then Wonderboy.
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that was a jelous and bitter comment.

I like their site. I have issue with people who hang people before a trial.
I guess I live in a dream world of fairness.
 
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that was a jelous and bitter comment.

I like their site. I have issue with people who hang people before a trial.
I guess I live in a dream world of fairness.
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I would like to share your dream. When logical minds sit down and look at what is to be gained for anybody..fans,sport,competing athletes past and present..screwing around with 11 year old blood/blood results is plain stupid. I like lots of sites and people who write in the interest of good quality bike racing. I find lots of people are out to get people and have no interest or knowledge of racing.
 
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simply looking forward to his scientific testimony, so the entire world can finally understand what was really behind LA success & his stupid myth gets buried once for all....
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To this point. If you're an athlete and you and only you and your team have access to Ferrari. You know when you're going to be drug tested and if you ever test positive it goes away with a donation. With all that Armstrong should have been winning by 20 minutes and won 18 Tours. I think now he was a mid pack ranked rider but with all that assistance he was able to win 7 Tours and not much else. Geez how would Ullrich ever compete? How would anyone compete? My sources tell me Armstrong was using from about the age of 16/17.
 
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I would like to share your dream. When logical minds sit down and look at what is to be gained for anybody..fans,sport,competing athletes past and present..screwing around with 11 year old blood/blood results is plain stupid. I like lots of sites and people who write in the interest of good quality bike racing. I find lots of people are out to get people and have no interest or knowledge of racing.
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You've got to admit that Armstrong has succeeded (thus far) in perpertrating one of the most audacious feats in all of sports - and I am not talking about his 7 TdF wins. Winning in a sport where everyone around him was caught for doping, yet surviving without any sanction or penalty for this long has been - simply amazing. The circumstancial evidence has been out there for a long time - sworn depositions, failed tests, tell-all books, associations with known doping doctors. Yet he made it to retirement twice without getting caught. His obsessive trick was not to test positive in an official doping test and that he did accomplish - a few times with the help of well-targeted "donations".

For that behavior to go unchecked would be unfair - even to all those who got caught, not to speak of those who attempted to stay clean. And that's completely beside the point in this investigation - in his quest to win and not get caught, it looks like he veered to the wrong side of the law more than once. And it appears that he will get caught, after all.
 
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You've got to admit that Armstrong has succeeded (thus far) in perpertrating one of the most audacious feats in all of sports - and I am not talking about his 7 TdF wins. Winning in a sport where everyone around him was caught for doping, yet surviving without any sanction or penalty for this long has been - simply amazing.
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To illustrate this, Mark Zimbelman, one of the two brothers who write the FraudBytes blog linked to above, created this chart. If none of the other evidence raises a red flag, this is pretty hard to square with Pharmstrong's claims of being clean:

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Point of order - Beloki - Puerto? Everything I can find on Google says he was cleared of involvement. Que?
 
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To this point. If you're an athlete and you and only you and your team have access to Ferrari. You know when you're going to be drug tested and if you ever test positive it goes away with a donation. With all that Armstrong should have been winning by 20 minutes and won 18 Tours. I think now he was a mid pack ranked rider but with all that assistance he was able to win 7 Tours and not much else. Geez how would Ullrich ever compete? How would anyone compete? My sources tell me Armstrong was using from about the age of 16/17.
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Sometimes HOG you make sense but not this time. Your post was trivial BS. So the donation goes to what person? the lab tech, manager, etc. come on get real. You may be an Aussie but that should not make you say stupid stuff.

Who are your sources from 24 years ago... oh I get it, you are just taking the pi$$ again.
 
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What panel is this?
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Umm, that would be this report, though i am sure that you will have 1001 reason why you disagree with it.:rolleyes:

The International Cycling Union appointed Dutch lawyer Emile Vrijman last October to investigate the handling of urine tests from the 1999 Tour by the French national anti-doping laboratory, known by its French acronym LNDD.

Vrijman said Wednesday his report "exonerates Lance Armstrong completely with respect to alleged use of doping in the 1999 Tour de France."

The report said WADA and the LNDD may have "behaved in ways that are completely inconsistent with the rules and regulations of international anti-doping control testing," and may also have been against the law.

I am sure that Armstrongs lawyers will already have Mr Vrijman and his colleagues lined up in the extremely unlikely event that they need some rebuttal.
 
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