Dubai Tour 2018

[Akuryo]

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Is Viviani the second fastest after Kittel these days? I mean, Greipel and Cav aren't getting any younger.

There is a certain Colombian your missed.

 

[Velolover2]

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Is Viviani the second fastest after Kittel these days? I mean, Greipel and Cav aren't getting any younger.

There is a certain Colombian your missed.

I think it's a tie between those two. Depends on the scenario and route.

 

[canarydan23]

I'm not so sure. I'd still wager on Kittel and Cavendish sharing all of the TdF sprint stages.

 

[RedheadDane]

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Is Viviani the second fastest after Kittel these days? I mean, Greipel and Cav aren't getting any younger.

There is a certain Colombian your missed.

I think it's a tie between those two. Depends on the scenario and route.

We're not gonna see a head-to-head showdown between Viviani and Gaviria the next couple of years anyway.

 

[Velolover2]

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It's very early days, but at the moment who's the premier sprinter at Quick-Step? I'd have said Gaviria before this week, but while his victories came in a weak sprinter field, Viviani has gone up against the top names and come out victorious. Ok, it sounds like he was helped by an incident today and clearly has the best lead-out but his first victory was well deserved.

It's hard. They are pretty much equal in terms of speed and but can survive lumpy-but-not-hilly stages.

Gaviria has the best lead-out man in the world. (Yeah I know they are on the same team but Richeze is almost Gaviria's personal lead-outman)

But Viviani is really good at using slower sprinters from other teams as lead-out men. He seem to be a very intelligent sprinter who is great at "reading the race" and being on the right wheels.

 

[AQETUYIOI]

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I'm out and about so didn't see the end. What happened with the crash?

https://clips.twitch.tv/ProudRudeBillOneHand(middle of clip)

 

[Velolover2]

Re: Re:

Is Viviani the second fastest after Kittel these days? I mean, Greipel and Cav aren't getting any younger.

There is a certain Colombian your missed.

I think it's a tie between those two. Depends on the scenario and route.

We're not gonna see a head-to-head showdown between Viviani and Gaviria the next couple of years anyway.

Oh, we will next mouth! Milano-Sanremo is coming up. It's gonna be fun to watch.

 

[RedheadDane]

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It's very early days, but at the moment who's the premier sprinter at Quick-Step? I'd have said Gaviria before this week, but while his victories came in a weak sprinter field, Viviani has gone up against the top names and come out victorious. Ok, it sounds like he was helped by an incident today and clearly has the best lead-out but his first victory was well deserved.

It's hard. They are pretty much equal in terms of speed and but can survive lumpy-but-not-hilly stages.

Gaviria has the best lead-out man in the world. (Yeah I know they are on the same team but Richeze is almost Gaviria's personal lead-outman)

But Viviani is really good at using slower sprinters from other teams as lead-out men. He seem to be a very intelligent sprinter who is great at "reading the race" and being on the right wheels.

It's generally a good idea for a sprinter and his lead-out man to be on the same team. You could argue that Sabatini is - or at least is working towards becoming - Viviani's personal lead-out man.

Is Viviani the second fastest after Kittel these days? I mean, Greipel and Cav aren't getting any younger.

There is a certain Colombian your missed.

I think it's a tie between those two. Depends on the scenario and route.

We're not gonna see a head-to-head showdown between Viviani and Gaviria the next couple of years anyway.

Oh, we will next mouth! Milano-Sanremo is coming up. It's gonna be fun to watch.

Not Viviani and Gaviria, surely!

 

[AQETUYIOI]

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Oh, we will next mouth! Milano-Sanremo is coming up. It's gonna be fun to watch.

What about Gilbert?

 

[yaco]

Watched Viviani in the TDU and Dubai and when he's received a perfect lead out he's failed to win, yet when it's a ragged sprint finale he comes out on top.

 

[Velolover2]

Yeah that is true, RedheadDane. Sabatini for Viv and Richeze for Gav.

If both of the lead-out men are racing Milano-Sanremo, there will be two mini-trains for Quick Step. Mini-teams within the teams. Not to mention Gilbert and Alaphilippe's personal ambitions.

 

[RedheadDane]

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Oh, we will next mouth! Milano-Sanremo is coming up. It's gonna be fun to watch.

What about Gilbert?

They might go to the race both of them, or all three of them, but I'm sure Quickstep will have an overall plan of who they're going to ride for; they're not all going against each other.

 

[Akuryo]

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Oh, we will next mouth! Milano-Sanremo is coming up. It's gonna be fun to watch.

What about Gilbert?

What about Alaphilippe?

 

[Velolover2]

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Yeah that is true, RedheadDane. Sabatini for Viv and Richeze for Gav.

If both of the lead-out men are racing Milano-Sanremo, there will be two mini-trains for Quick Step. Mini-teams within the teams. Not to mention Gilbert and Alaphilippe's personal ambitions.

I even doubt there is room for both lead-out men when you already have 4 leaders (Gav, Gil, Viv and Ala).

QS have a lot of strong workhorses who are also needed in the race.

 

[Squire]

Sabatini is not gonna survive MSR. I doubt he'll even start.

 

[RedheadDane]

Hmm... maybe we should start either the Milan-Sanremo thread, or a Quickstep thread. Coz, erhm... we might have gone a bit off-topic here.

 

[yaco]

Gaviria will be the number one rider for Quick Step in MSR - Of course they have other cards to play.

 

[Velolover2]

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Gaviria will be the number one rider for Quick Step in MSR - Of course they have other cards to play.

It's Viviani's number one target this year.

Not sure what they are gonna do.

 

[The Hegelian]

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Is Viviani the second fastest after Kittel these days? I mean, Greipel and Cav aren't getting any younger.

I don't think so. He's definitely in great form at present. But all things being equal, I'd have Cav, Demare and Gaviria = 2nd to Kittel. And then the next bracket behind them, including Viviani, would include a lot of names.