Everyone is supposed to return their winnings from '98 - '05 Tour?

[miloman]

From Cycling News: . . . "The UCI Management Committee acknowledged that a cloud of suspicion would remain hanging over this dark period - but that while this might appear harsh for those who rode clean, they would understand there was little honour to be gained in reallocating places," the statement continued. Armstrong and all affected riders have been called upon to return their prize money.

Does this apply to everyone during those years? Does someone have any clairfication as to what they meant? Are they seriously thinking that they can collect on this?

 

[ebandit]

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my take is that all riders who lost placings following recent decisions would be expected to return prize money

of course if $ was not returned...could it be enforced?

 

[skimazk]

seems to me this would mean both armstrong and those who testified about their own use as well as his use in the usada case

 

[Velodude]

From Cycling News: . . . "The UCI Management Committee acknowledged that a cloud of suspicion would remain hanging over this dark period - but that while this might appear harsh for those who rode clean, they would understand there was little honour to be gained in reallocating places," the statement continued. Armstrong and all affected riders have been called upon to return their prize money.

Does this apply to everyone during those years? Does someone have any clairfication as to what they meant? Are they seriously thinking that they can collect on this?

Armstrong is the only rider who could be made legally to return his ill gotten gains. He has retrospectively been adjudged under anti doping rules to have doped 1999-2005 & 2009-2010.

Other podium finishers during those years have only been found in breach of anti doping rules for years that did not embrace a TdF podium result.

For example, Jan Ullrich was found in 2012 to have breached anti doping rules by CAS and had his results since 2005 excised. His TdF win and numerous second places still stand.

Any return of prizes and moneys would have to be voluntary.

 

[Turner29]

I smoke screen to deflect attention away from the UCI itself.

 

[neineinei]

I read it to mean that the sanctions involving paying back winnings given by USADA to Armstrong, Barry, Danielson, Hincapie, Leipheimer, Vandevelde and Zabriskie are valid, and that there will be no rellocation of places of the period 1999-2005, due to doping offences, now or later. Nothing said about any previous sanctions. And seemingly nothing said about rellocation of places like Armstrongs third place in TdF 2009 or Leipheimers third place in TdF 2007.

USADA's sanctions:

Hincapie: (...) Disqualification of his competitive results obtained from May 31, 2004 through July 31, 2006, including forfeiture of any medals, points and prizes; and (...)

Barry: (...) Disqualification of his competetive resulsts obtained from May 13, 2003, through July 31, 2006, including forfeiture of any medals, points and prizes; and (...)

Zabriskie:(...) Disqualification of the competitive results obtained from May 13, 2003 through July 31, 2006, including forfeiture of any medals, points and prizes; and (...)

Danielson: (...) Disqualification of the comptetive results obtained from March 1, 2005 through September 23, 2006, including forfeiture of any medals, points and prizes; and (...)

Leipheimer: (...) Disqualification of the competetive results obtained from June 1, 1999 through July 30, 2006, and from July 7 through July 29, 2007, including forfeiture of any medals, points and prizes; and (...)

Vandevelde: (...) Disqualification of the competetive results obtained from June 4, 2004 through April 31 2006, including forfeiture of any medals, points and prizes; and (...)

 

[jamiephillips]

Just to be clear this ruling is from August 1998. No money is expected to be returned from the 1998 tour winner......

 

[peterst6906]

Just to be clear this ruling is from August 1998. No money is expected to be returned from the 1998 tour winner......

It would be particularly hard since he's no longer alive.

But I don't see anything in the statement that would impact on riders not affected by the USADA report or subsequent admissions (eg. White, Hodge). I think the call is more of a moral request than a legal one.

 

[Oldman]

It'd be cool if all of the earnings where placed in a new fund for a reformed AIGCP as a retirement fund for clean riders requiring medical support. But that would be justice in a modern world and totally impossible.