Federations ruling doping cases

[christianpetrin]

Isn't time for the UCI figure out that simply it's not possible that the country federantions decide whether a rider is guilty on doping?

For me, it's clear that, cannot say all, but some federations, specially the Spanish one, doesn't want its national heroes to be jugded fairly and eventually punished accordingly.

UCI gotta do something about it. There is no point in trying to push the maximum penalty for 4 years if the ones deciding the time off are the national federations. Also, if the UCI / CAS / WADA or someone else judges the doping cases, it would clearly take much less court time. The decision would some much faster, some cases like Alberto Contador wouldn´t happen anymore.

Btw, the AC case is a shame. It's hard (if not impossible) to understand how it could a year or more for a final decision to be made.

 

[ManInFull]

Isn't time for the UCI figure out that simply it's not possible that the country federantions decide whether a rider is guilty on doping?

For me, it's clear that, cannot say all, but some federations, specially the Spanish one, doesn't want its national heroes to be jugded fairly and eventually punished accordingly.

UCI gotta do something about it. There is no point in trying to push the maximum penalty for 4 years if the ones deciding the time off are the national federations. Also, if the UCI / CAS / WADA or someone else judges the doping cases, it would clearly take much less court time. The decision would some much faster, some cases like Alberto Contador wouldn´t happen anymore.

Btw, the AC case is a shame. It's hard (if not impossible) to understand how it could a year or more for a final decision to be made.

I agree that this process should not include the rider's country's sports/cycling organization. It should be done by an international organization. I think the length of process is often extended due to the amount of financial resources available to the athlete.

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

Vroomen makes a similar point the problem is that there is no way the national feds would agree to be stripped of the power to discipline riders.

 

[Cobblestoned]

It's not fully in hands of UCI or WADA, but in some countries things will be/are changed.
From this year on, riders with a German license will be judged and sanctioned by NADA. DEB (icehockey) was first and BDR (German cycling federation) joined later.


........NADA estimates that next to BDR, other Olympic sports federations have increased interest in similar agreements, too. The aim of the NADA's policy is that investigation as well as sanction procedures will be carried out by independent institutions. This model should achieve equal treatment of all affected athletes of any sports. According to the NADA there is hardly an alternative: "The very complex matter in the context of doping violations requires more expenditure of time and specialist expertise, "says the NADA Managing Director Anja Berninger. Another advantage of the transfer of the results management for associations: The liability risk is transferred to the NADA.

http://www.nada-bonn.de/aktuelles/n...bertraegt-nada-komplettes-ergebnismanagement/

 

[issoisso]

That for me was really the end of it. That was so bad and it assumed cycling fans were so stupid that I just didn’t get that at all. That for me was the end.”

I think Mr. Vroomen is overestimating the intelligence of many cycling fans. As can be easily seen on many forums, there are many fans who really are incredibly stupid to the point where they honestly believe Schleck paid Fuentes for training advice and not for a doping program.

 

[TERMINATOR]

Isn't time for the UCI figure out that simply it's not possible that the country federantions decide whether a rider is guilty on doping?

For me, it's clear that, cannot say all, but some federations, specially the Spanish one, doesn't want its national heroes to be jugded fairly and eventually punished accordingly.

UCI gotta do something about it. There is no point in trying to push the maximum penalty for 4 years if the ones deciding the time off are the national federations. Also, if the UCI / CAS / WADA or someone else judges the doping cases, it would clearly take much less court time. The decision would some much faster, some cases like Alberto Contador wouldn´t happen anymore.

Btw, the AC case is a shame. It's hard (if not impossible) to understand how it could a year or more for a final decision to be made.

The UCI is corrupt and stupid. It will never happen. USADA is the gold standard for anti-doping and few, if any countries have such an independent ADA.

The Spanish federation is corrupt. It's not onlhy Contador, but look what they in the Valverde case - didn't even bother to open up an inquiry despite a positive DNA match of Valverde;'s blood to blood found in Operacion Puerto.

The Spanish federation is just as corrupt as USA Cycling. Did you ever read Steve Johnson's quotes about the EPO positives from Lance Armstrong? Wait until Lance is indicted then everyone will see what a dope Steve Johnson is.

 

[Escarabajo]

It can not happen. It is called "Conflict of Interest"

In my country the federation does not want to get burned by the media and politicians because they just killed the country's hero. That's just not going to happen. These positions are mostly political and are heavily influenced by people's opinion. So they play to what the politicians want and these ones play to what the people want. That is "Conflict of Interest".

Example of that in my Country: Santiago Botero.

 

[lurveleven]

UCI gotta do something about it.

hehe, made me laugh, uci is the last place to look for anything regarding improvement to cycling

 

[brianf7]

It is the national Federation who you sign the anti doping agreement not UCI or WADA.
If you want to race you need a licence so you sign or dont race.

 

[D-Queued]

The UCI is corrupt and stupid. It will never happen. UCI is the gold standard for doping and few, if any countries have such an independent ADA.

The Spanish federation is corrupt. It's not onlhy Contador, but look what they in the Valverde case - didn't even bother to open up an inquiry despite a positive DNA match of Valverde;'s blood to blood found in Operacion Puerto.

The Spanish federation is just as corrupt as UCI and USA Cycling. Did you ever read Steve Johnson's quotes about the EPO positives from Lance Armstrong? Wait until Lance is indicted then everyone will see what a dope Steve Johnson is.

A couple of minor edits to strengthen your point.

Good point on USADA, but it kind of took away from the emphasis and consistency of the dialog.

Dave.

 

[Dewulf]

Isn't time for the UCI figure out that simply it's not possible that the country federantions decide whether a rider is guilty on doping?

For me, it's clear that, cannot say all, but some federations, specially the Spanish one, doesn't want its national heroes to be jugded fairly and eventually punished accordingly.

UCI gotta do something about it. There is no point in trying to push the maximum penalty for 4 years if the ones deciding the time off are the national federations. Also, if the UCI / CAS / WADA or someone else judges the doping cases, it would clearly take much less court time. The decision would some much faster, some cases like Alberto Contador wouldn´t happen anymore.

Btw, the AC case is a shame. It's hard (if not impossible) to understand how it could a year or more for a final decision to be made.

+1, i have been saying this for some time, felt so good to read Vroomen's latest piece, and to see this thread created.

Have to admit at first (this was a while ago, long before AC's positive) i thought "give it to the UCI" (ok, it was late, i wasn't really thinking about it too well, and someone quickly pointed out how f'd that'd be...).

That person's suggestion was instead get WADA to select a panel of experts, people who know their stuff but aren't employed either the UCI or WADA at the moment. I think that's a great idea. Personally, I also think they should have the final say too - so the accused get one appeal (for new evidence discovered), but it's still with the same panel, no CAS.

Currently, being able to go from a positive and confirmed result, to your national fed, and then to CAS...i mean it's like a child goes from one parent or relative to the next until they get the (soft) parent who gives them the answer they want to hear. It's such a dodgy thing, especially when you add lawyers into the mix.

But as someone points out, the national feds won't willingly give this power up, and the UCI isn't the kind of organisation to make this happen. Maybe if the IOC put their foot down? Or maybe more likely, if WADA refused services to UCI races unless the system was changed? After all, it's their work that goes down the plughole when national feds refuse to act.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Problems...

The UCI can't be an enforcement organization. That would entail some authority stripped from sovereign nations. They do as much as they can right now by banning riders in their events. That is not to say the UCI is doing a good job of it. Like others have claimed, I believe their policies enable the doping.

If doping were stitched onto law enforcement organizations, we'd all be better off. It wouldn't be perfect, but it would be better. That would entail making doping and supplying the PEDs a very serious crime in countries. Which is harder than it sounds.

I have my doubts about the USADA. It's not their operations. It's the fact that their findings pass through sports federations for final processing. That's where a federation like USAC makes stuff just go away. There's some evidence to suggest USOC is doing the same thing.

If USADA handled the sanctioning for all federations, it would be a good step forward. But, I have some reservations about the consequences of USADA doing it all.