Flick Matt White as Australian Team Manager

[fiftyfour eleven]

If there are any changes needed made after this years worlds it should be that the Team Manager leading the Australian team can not be directly involved with a trade team.
Flick Matt White and promote Scott Sunderland to head it all up. He's won more on & off the bike than anyone else available.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Agree or disagree with the selection, Matt White is a very good director and has a very good cycling brain. If Goss kicked a bit earlier he could of won and all this talk about Renshaw not being slected today would be not evident.

 

[LukeSchmid]

If there are any changes needed made after this years worlds it should be that the Team Manager leading the Australian team can not be directly involved with a trade team.
Flick Matt White and promote Scott Sunderland to head it all up. He's won more on & off the bike than anyone else available.

There seems to be two issues raised.
1. The Australian team manager should not be involved in a trade team
2. Matt White made a huge mistake and there are people, Scott Sunderland etc, who could do the job better.

As far as 1 goes I wonder whether there is anybody around who could dedicate themselves to following cycling very closely without be involved in a trade team. The conflict of interest can be a problem and may have even been in this case, but it might be able to be managed. Not sure whether this should rule out White or not
As far as 2 goes I don't know enough to really make a judgement.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Sunderland won't head the Aus team. As good as he is, his child has a disability which requires some of his time and he also has his own coaching business.

 

[Sydney21]

Sunderland won't head the Aus team. As good as he is, his child has a disability which requires some of his time and he also has his own coaching business.

tbh I'm not exactly sure how much time the job involves. Obviously there is a fair amount involved come August September and a lot of watching races which he probably already does anyway. What I'm saying is the job is probably not bad for a person in Scott's situation and becoming Australia men's coach wouldn't hurt his business in the long run either.

Would be better to have a coach that isn't directly involved with GE for impartiality's sake imo.

I'm sure there are others who would be well equipped for the job like MgGee.

 

[Night Rider]

Having Renshaw there wouldn't have changed a thing.

How many medals did Australia pick up? That's what White should be judged on.

 

[thehog]

Agree or disagree with the selection, Matt White is a very good director and has a very good cycling brain. If Goss kicked a bit earlier he could of won and all this talk about Renshaw not being slected today would be not evident.

What???!! Have you heard him speak?

...and he was a coke head with O'Grady.

One man for the job.... Peiper.

 

[auscyclefan94]

What???!! Have you heard him speak?

...and he was a coke head with O'Grady.

One man for the job.... Peiper.

Have you ever met Matt before?

 

[thehog]

Have you ever met Matt before?

Several times. Dont get me started. He's not professional. Ask anyone in the sport they'll tell you the tales.... JV gave him a lifeline and he managed to sink back into old ways. Sorry but don't rate the guy. Great to have a beer with but not a national team manager by a long stretch.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Several times. Dont get me started. He's not professional. Ask anyone in the sport they'll tell you the tales.... JV gave him a lifeline and he managed to sink back into old ways. Sorry but don't rate the guy. Great to have a beer with but not a national team manager by a long stretch.

Can I ask, have you ever been involved in pro cycling or been apart of professional sport in any form?

 

[42x16ss]

What???!! Have you heard him speak?

...and he was a coke head with O'Grady.

One man for the job.... Peiper.

What about Brad McGee or Phil Anderson? Even O'Grady could be a good choice once he retires...

 

[greenedge]

Matt white is a good director. Next year he won't be involved with GE as a trade team. Also you did not state why we should get rid of him??? JV spoke very highly of White as well even after he left. He's nice and genial but tough

 

[Midnightfright]

I really don't see what the problem with his job is? With regards to the Renshaw selection.im not even sure he would of much use leading out on the sloped finish. Failing to beat Cav in a sprint is hardly anything u can worth sacking. The only thing in hindsight that would go diffrently in the whole world championships is I don't think they would go with Hepburn for the sprint but it all just seems a wee Tad knee jerk.

 

[movingtarget]

Having Renshaw there wouldn't have changed a thing.

How many medals did Australia pick up? That's what White should be judged on.

i don't agree. Renshaw knows how to take a up a position in the sprint. Years of track cycling and knowing how to judge a sprint would have been invaluable to Goss at the finish. I am convinced that on that circuit, Renshaw would have made a difference. There was no reason at all to leave Renshaw out for riders like Rogers who have been invisible all year. Huge error by White but his excuse was that Goss did not have any form anyway which is shorthand for he never thought Goss would get that close. There are better managers out there. I think he should go.

 

[just some guy]

Hussler more than made up for Renshaw he was not missed - White made the correct call.

Goss lost the wheel of his train he would not have done better with Renshaw leading him out.

Over the whole WC Australia did well,

 

[FignonLeGrand]

Hussler more than made up for Renshaw he was not missed - White made the correct call.

Goss lost the wheel of his train he would not have done better with Renshaw leading him out.

Over the whole WC Australia did well,

But that shouldnt have been the call, Haussler and Renshaw should have both been fitted in. Who better than Renshaw would know how to deal with Cavendish.

Also isnt Brailsford in charge of sky and the GB track team? We just got the most medals at the WC. Looking at the emergence of GB track riders on the road and the burgeoning Aussie track team moving onto the road more and more, isnt there some synergy to having this all joined up?

Lastly watching the absolute dominance of team GB and their excellent if boring procession to the title isnt the WC where having this join up is even more beneficial. It was clear that the GB team really rode as a team not surprising as so many of them came through the same academy system.

 

[abbaskip]

Hussler more than made up for Renshaw he was not missed - White made the correct call.

Goss lost the wheel of his train he would not have done better with Renshaw leading him out.

Over the whole WC Australia did well,

This has been mentioned in a few places. Haussler isn't a leadout man - hence Goss lost his wheel. This isn't just up to the sprinter, and Haussler and Goss have said in the past that this a part of the lead out they aren't as good at as Renshaw.

 

[spanky wanderlust]

Hussler more than made up for Renshaw he was not missed - White made the correct call.

Goss lost the wheel of his train he would not have done better with Renshaw leading him out.

Over the whole WC Australia did well,

yes.

you can't fire your director because your sprinter came in second to the undisputed fastest guy in the world.

still, leaving renshaw out was moronic. i love haussler and think he is great. but renshaw is your man in that situation. everyone knows it.

 

[spanky wanderlust]

acf made the point above and elsewhere that if goss had timed his sprint marginally better, he'd have won. and i don't disagree.

but here's the thing. it is a lot easier to time your sprint if you are faster than everyone else.

so it really boils down to cav being faster. you can't take anything away from goss, or haussler, or white. they just got beat. and you can't say that simply adding renshaw would change that. it might have even made it worse because cav is smart enough to know which wheels to follow. if goss lost haussler's wheel, would he have followed renshaw better? or would renshaw have picked a better line to begin with? you just can't know.

still, statistically you go with renshaw. and in a race where the gaps are so small, it matters.

 

[Boeing]

Can I ask, have you ever been involved in pro cycling or been apart of professional sport in any form?

can we ask if you even ride a bike?

 

[auscyclefan94]

can we ask if you even ride a bike?

you can if you don't ask it in sucha patronising tone. I do ride a bike. why ask the question?

 

[jens_attacks]

lol .
matt white is one of the geniuses behind australian worldwide succes in cycling,he has connections and all of that.
you really should be content that you have a clever guy running things.

 

[fiftyfour eleven]

Matt white is a good director. Next year he won't be involved with GE as a trade team.(You sure?) Also you did not state why we should get rid of him??? JV spoke very highly of White as well even after he left. He's nice and genial but tough

Well I did but I will make my point even clearer. I believe the Aussie program/teams should be able to be run without any or at least a small amount of involvement from those running trade teams. That way at least when guys like Mark are not selected there isn't a huge backlash based around implied politics. Matt is a great guy and talented, but the reality is that any other team would have been gagging to have a guy of Mark's talent & form to select!

 

[richo36]

First off i dont know enough about matt white to comment on if he should be sacked or not. but you can not (well you can but...) sack someone for helping get silver. Espicially when goss wasnt even a favourite and loses by half a wheel to the worlds best sprinter.

I just want to raise the question on his race tatics. Australia raced for the bunch sprint. So if they were going for a bunch sprint why on earth would you not take renshaw. Not only is he the worlds best leadout rider but he rides with goss at htc. It does not take a huge cycling brain to figure that one out.

At the end of the day it was still a pretty good result but it might of been different with Renshaw

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

Not a fan.

But I appreciate that he is better then most of the chumps around.