GC without TTT & Crashes

[Waterloo Sunrise]

Purely notional of course, but without bothering to actually check the timings I think Sammy Sanchez is an early favourite for the adjusted individual classification.

 

[Arnout]

Yeah of course as today was the first day with differences anyway

 

[The Hitch]

If there was a prologue instead of stage 1 and tt I think he would have been in yellow or at least top of the contenders.

Of course I am a fan of time bonuses so Cadel should be way ahead of where he is with his stage win and 2nd place.

Very depressing to think about it though.

 

[benpounder]

Purely notional of course, but without bothering to actually check the timings I think Sammy Sanchez is an early favourite for the adjusted individual classification.

Sanchez lost 1:18 in the TTT to Evans and the Schlecks, and 0:54 to Contador. Starting the day, he was 0:54 behind Contador, 2:32 down on F. Schleck, and 2:35 on Evans. But to answer your question, we would have to know a parallel universe where every thing except the first and second stage was the same. Without that, we have no way of knowing whether the field would have allowed Sanchez as much freedom as he was granted today.

 

[The Hitch]

Sanchez lost 1:18 in the TTTto the Evans and the Schlecks, and 0:54 to Contador. Starting the day, he was 0:54 behind Contador, 2:32 down on F. Schleck, and 2:35 on Evans. But to answer your question, we would have to know a parallel universe where every thing except the first and second stage was the same. Without that, we have no way of knowing whether the field would have allowed Sanchez as much freedom as he was granted today.

No they wouldnt, but if there was a prologue then hes a better tter than everyone bar Contador and Cuddles and on todays stage they would have allowed him to go with Frank because they dont rate him. Even Schleck before the Tour said he didnt see Samu as a challenger, and he only finished 10 seconds in front of Frank today anyway so he would have finished 10 seconds worse off but can easily make twice that on Frank in a prologue.

 

[Lanark]

No they wouldnt, but if there was a prologue then hes a better tter than everyone bar Contador and Cuddles and on todays stage they would have allowed him to go with Frank because they dont rate him. Even Schleck before the Tour said he didnt see Samu as a challenger, and he only finished 10 seconds in front of Frank today anyway so he would have finished 10 seconds worse off but can easily make twice that on Frank in a prologue.

That's a lot of speculation though. Last year there was a prologue, and Samuel was pretty bad there finishing 75th, winning one second to Fränk, but losing time even to Basso and Gesink.

 

[Jamsque]

If we had some ham, we could have ham and eggs, if we had some eggs.

You would be as well to compose a GC without mountains.

 

[Anonymous]

Well no, if there were no crashes, then based on the performance of his domestique today Brad Wiggins would be leading the Tour by around 4 minutes over his nearest rival.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Well no, if there were no crashes, then based on the performance of his domestique today Brad Wiggins would be leading the Tour by around 4 minutes over his nearest rival.

How the hell does that work????

Anyway, maybe some of the riders in the peleton can take some responsibility for being in some of those crashes. As much as I don't like the TTT in grad tours Euskaltel and the others teams knew about it for ages. Who's fault is that when you lose **** loads of time?

 

[UlleGigo]

Without ageing and retirement the Cannibal would be leading. This thread is pointless.

 

[spanky wanderlust]

if you take out all of the stages that my favorite rider did not win, then my favorite rider is winning the tour, and cannot be beaten.

why does everyone always want to take out the ttt? i never understood this. if it totally devalues the results, why do they continue to include the discipline?

 

[karlboss]

Mark Cavendish at 0:00
all others...............st

 

[Anonymous]

Sorry, If you take out all the crashes the gc is as follows

1st Kloden
2nd Brajkovic @ 20s
3rd Popovych @ 25s
4th Leipheimer @ 1m20
5th Horner @ 1m24
6th F Schleck @ 4m45

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

Sorry, If you take out all the crashes the gc is as follows

1st Kloden
2nd Brajkovic @ 20s
3rd Popovych @ 25s
4th Leipheimer @ 1m20
5th Horner @ 1m24
6th F Schleck @ 4m45

Don't get ****y just because Brad is at home with a metal plate on his chest.

I flagged up pretty clearly this is purely a notional exercise. Sadly withdrawing from the race and all subclassifications disqualifies most of your leaders.

 

[Angliru]

If we had some ham, we could have ham and eggs, if we had some eggs.

You would be as well to compose a GC without mountains.

Is that from Dr. Suess??

 

[Angliru]

How the hell does that work????

Anyway, maybe some of the riders in the peleton can take some responsibility for being in some of those crashes. As much as I don't like the TTT in grad tours Euskaltel and the others teams knew about it for ages. Who's fault is that when you lose **** loads of time?

For someone that loves, and I mean loves to throw around the word "hypocritical", you certainly play the role of one with such expertise. I recall you whining about Evans not having a decent TTT squad one year when he was with Lotto as if the fact that the event being a part of the Tour was unfair to the weaker teams. Now you, of course using Euskaltel as your example, want to denigrate teams for not making the necessary personnel additions to their squads in anticipation of the TTT, as if its just that easy to pick up good time trialists, especially on a team with the self-imposed limitations that exist at Euskaltel-Euskadi. Do you even listen to yourself or read your own posts to see how absolutely ludicrous that premise is?

 

[auscyclefan94]

For someone that loves, and I mean loves to throw around the word "hypocritical", you certainly play the role of one with such expertise. I recall you whining about Evans not having a decent TTT squad one year when he was with Lotto as if the fact that the event being a part of the Tour was unfair to the weaker teams. Now you, of course using Euskaltel as your example, want to denigrate teams for not making the necessary personnel additions to their squads in anticipation of the TTT, as if its just that easy to pick up good time trialists, especially on a team with the self-imposed limitations that exist at Euskaltel-Euskadi. Do you even listen to yourself or read your own posts to see how absolutely ludicrous that premise is?

Stop continaully making your moronic comments. Guess what?! I don't think the TTT should EVER be in a GT but everyone knew about it for 9 months and had plenty of time to prepare. I have never said that I thought the TTT should be in the tour. Saying it shouldn't be in a GT does not mean that teams should just not prepare for it.

Again, get your facts right, idiot! Stop trying to look for trouble with me. It is interesting that in the past that you have picked out posts from the middle of threads of which you would of had to go through many pages of the thread and coincidentally you have replied to my posts.

 

[M Sport]

The TTT should be banished forever or be severely revamped. It should be winning team gets their own time, second team gets their own time or 10 seconds slower (whichever is better), third team gets their own time or five seconds slower (whichever is better). And so on down the field with five second gaps.

And TTT should never be over 20km.

Preferable to all of this is the genius that said it should be part of the post tour criteriums, because that's truly where it belongs.