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Gregor Brown (Velonews)

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Gregor Brown (Velonews, etc)

In my research I came across an interesting phenomenon. I've read that Velonews, or at least some of their reporters (and by extension Velonews itself) is not entirely on the up and up. A bit dodgy. I do not have conclusive evidence of this, but I haven't looked either. I think the inference was they were pro-Armstrong / anti-USADA.

This particular interview, however, put my spidey senses into overdrive.

Given the role the media play in communicating professional cycling reality to the masses, I feel the following is rather damning.

At the Dauphine, post stage 4 (June 7th), Wiggins had an press conference. Cycling News were present. CN posted the article on June 7th - ie the day of the post-stage press conference.

Here is what Brad said:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wiggins-lauds-new-training-philosophy

My coach has not been in cycling for long, he’s come from swimming, so I’ve pretty much been training like the swimmers train,” Wiggins told reporters in Bourg-en-Bresse. “I’ve been constantly training through the year, so it’s not like the traditional way for cycling, which is starting in January fat or in really bad condition, and then building, building and showing form in these races.”

It’s just trying to be 95, 97% all year and constantly working,” Wiggins said. “The only downside is that it’s mentally difficult, but up to now I’ve found it pretty good. I’ve only raced four races this year and I’ve had long periods between races to freshen up and do good blocks of training, so I’m not going from race to race.”

Breaking it down, we have:
* coach not in cycling long
* swimming coach
* training like a swimmer
* constant training through the year
* maintaining 95-97%
* constantly working
* downside mentally difficult
* found it pretty good
* only 4 races
* long periods to freshen up
* long periods to do good blocks of training
* not going from race to race

Now. Brad is racing less (only 4 races), but his work rate is not down. He's doing good blocks of training between races. Constantly working. The downside of what he is having to do is mentally difficult, but pretty good. His coach is a complete unknown in the cycling world, and in fact used to coach swimmers.

On the swimming points listed.
1. coach not in cycling long: average Joe would understand it makes no sense that someone with little or no experience at something is very successful at it - questionable by Joe. Someone who just picked up a cricket bat for the first time isn't going to be much of a cricket coach.
2. swimming coach: average Joe would understand it makes no sense that an expert in X would be expert at Y - questionable by Joe, who does not believe the local footy coach is going to be any good for his son's cricket team
3. training like a swimmer: unless Joe is a competitive swimmer, he has no idea how swimmers train, so will accept whatever you tell him. even if he does swim, it's only "like a swimmer" and can mean hard, or long hours, or early. there's no real detail other than "all year" which is no different to cyclists, even if you tell me it is, but to Joe public? - not questionable by Joe

If I wanted to paint a different picture of what Brad is doing, remove some of the negative aspects of what he's going through, perhaps dilute the fact that his coach doesn't have a clue about cycling, I'd remove the words in bold above.

3 weeks later (June 27), Velonews posted an article. At first I thought Brad must have been reading from a script, as he said exactly (almost) the same thing, it was uncanny. Reading again carefully, I saw the "explained earlier this month", so the following is taken from the exact same press conference as the one CN reported on above.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/06/news/brad-wiggins-men-pushing-towards-tour-win_225834

“I train like the swimmers train, constantly though the year, maybe not in the classic sense of cycling — January getting fat and just building form,” Wiggins explained earlier this month. “It’s just trying to be 95 or 97 percent through the year. The only downside is mentally. I’ve only raced four times this year. However, I’m not going race-to-race, constantly racing. I have lots of down time to rest and recover.

* coach not in cycling long
* swimming coach
* training like a swimmer
* constant training through the year
* maintaining 95-97%
* constantly working
* downside mentally difficult
* found it pretty good
* only 4 races
* long periods to freshen up
* long periods to do good blocks of training
* not going from race to race

NB: they have to say "constant training through the year", as it allows them to denigrate and differentiate from the Jan Ullrichs of the peloton who hit January and THEN get fat and unfit. These riders are a myth, btw. Noone has been fat and unfit in January for many years.


If you wanted to use the "racing less" argument to say Wiggins is less fatigued and therefore racing better, the second article is the one you would use.
If you wanted to obscure the fact that a cycling-clueless swimming coach was the reason for Wiggins' impressive form, yep, second interview.

If you wanted to "massage the message" and present the best possible scenario for your rider, regardless of what he has said, you'd get his press conference published 3 weeks after the fact, having edited him accordingly.

Conspiracy theory, right?

Go look at the author, Gregor Brown's twitter feed. There is not a single mention of Kimmage, USADA, or anything the Daniel Benson, nyveloicty, Shane Stokes or David Walsh's of the world are talking about. The only mention is that it's Lance's birthday, on September 19th. Neither does he interact with any of these other cycling journalists. https://twitter.com/gregorbrown

Something isn't right here.
 
It could be that VeloNews is such a low rent operation these days that when they need to fill space, they reword an old CyclingNews article.

I posted this in the 'general' forum, but the ASO is in the process of buying the company that owns VeloNews.
 
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Think it is a stretch to suggest a conspiracy based on those 2 articles. 90% of news on the internet has just been copy n pasted from somewhere else. The levenson inquiry did a very illuminating questioning of a daily star journalist who said he never interviewed anyone, just rehashed stories from the web or other newspapers, or just made it up
 
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Big Ring,

I'm glad you are reading my articles and taking an interest in me. I am friends with Anthony Tan and many journalists in this business.

They'd tell you I was at the entire Critérium du Dauphiné, the Tour de France and even at Sky's debut, the Tour Down Under in 2010. I certainly did not reword from Cyclingnews, contrary to what your thread is suggesting.

The purpose of the article was to present some of Wiggins' helpers off the bike before the Tour, drawing on notes collected. You need to refer to old notes, that is what we have to do to create a complete picture. The article in VeloNews was up front, explaining that some of the quotes came from "earlier this month." If we had to base everything on information gathered within the last 24 hours, we'd be lacking experience and quickly be out of work.

As for massaging the message, that is your opinion and I'm pleased you're taking such a strong one based on the article.

During the race, I wrote pieces that were presented in Cycling Weekly and VeloNews. They ranged from Wiggins to Evans, covered RadioShack's problems and Contador's return, plus highlighted new talents, like Wilco Kelderman.

Conspiracy? As tellywatcher says, "it is a stretch."

Thanks, Gregor
 

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Hi Gregor, thanks for responding.

I certainly did not think you reworded the cyclingnews article at all, and apologise for giving that impression. It was more a comparison between 2 journalists at the same press conference and the message imparted through their reporting.

My impression ("paint a good picture") was further reinforced when I visited your Twitter stream and saw that it was as neat as a pin - completely devoid of any polemic or current negativity leveled at the UCI or Lance Armstrong in any way shape or form. As a journalist, I expected (rightly or wrongly) you would be at least interested in Kimmage's current experiences as a journalist and the whole issue of "freedom of the press". At the time there was nada. I notice now you have retweeted a donation tweet.

By way of example, for the same press conference, CN's headline read: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uci-has-nothing-to-apologise-for-says-mcquaid
UCI has nothing to apologise for, says McQuaid

where your article read: http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/534899/uci-stands-firm-in-armstrong-case.html

UCI stands firm in Armstrong case

It's possible you have no say in the headline, which is fair enough. It sure looks like the second headline is "painting a good picture".

I notice patterns or things that stand out from the pattern and then investigate / research that pattern or pattern-breaker. In this instance, the pattern breaker stands out.