How much US Taxpayer Money used to buy Illegal Peds?

[Polish]

What would be your guess for the total amount of US Gov money that was spent by the Postal Team to buy Illegal PEDs?

Your guess should NOT include:
1) Rider's own money.
2) Tailwind's money.
3) Other sponsor's money such as AMD, Berry Floors, etc.
4) E-bay bike sale proceeds

I am guessing on the low end - Zero to $250k. My reasons:

a) Probably did not pay "retail". Good deals through Pepe etc.
b) Using Gov Money is not smart. Other ways to raise the moola.
c) Transfusion bags are not that pricey.

I realize we are all guessing.
Floyd would not know. Betsy would not know. Greg would not know.
Frankie would not know. Just any rider would not know.

Who would know? Team Accountant/Bookeeper?
Head Team Doctor?

 

[Hillavoider]

probably more then 250k over so many years of sponsorship

 

[theswordsman]

Probably did not pay retail? WADA is working with pharmaceutical agencies because they know that for years, athletes have used substances before they were approved are available. Someone has to do research to identify things in development that could help an athlete, and find a source for the stuff. For things like EPO, they need to find a steady, reliable source of the stuff. That means doctors being paid extra for risking their licenses, or stuff being stolen off the back of trucks or from warehouses. You don't get discounts for stuff like that, or for things that have to be flown in, or snuck through Customs, or for things that are illegal to possess in certain countries. Remember when Ricco got busted for micera, said how much he paid, and wanted to get reimbursed by the doctor because he was promised there was no test?

 

[barn yard]

I am guessing on the low end - Zero to $250k. My reasons:

so now you agree that there was systemic doping at postal?

are you 'guessing on the low end' so it doesnt sound so bad? yeah it wasnt much money so its ok. this is just a witch hunt and a waste of taxpayer money. everyone was doing it. still raised awareness of cancer, saved billions of lives single handedly with a message of hope.

 

[Mambo95]

It's none. The US Postal service paid for advertising on the Tailwind team's jerseys. They got that. Once they paid for it, it ceased to be taxpayers' money. It was Tailwind's money.

If the question were how much did US Postal (the team) spend on doping, then that's a whole different question.

It's like if Wayne Rooney goes around paying hookers. It's not Manchester United's money he's using, it's his own, even though his actions may reflect badly on Man U.

 

[powerste]

It's none. The US Postal service paid for advertising on the Tailwind team's jerseys. They got that. Once they paid for it, it ceased to be taxpayers' money. It was Tailwind's money.

If the question were how much did US Postal (the team) spend on doping, then that's a whole different question.

It's like if Wayne Rooney goes around paying hookers. It's not Manchester United's money he's using, it's his own, even though his actions may reflect badly on Man U.

Exactly: a number of different streams come in (hence, "income") and a number of different streams go out ("outflows" aka expenses). The source and destination aren't linked.

USPS paid X million dollars to Tailwind & Co. in exchange for advertising and a contractual commitment not to dope. The Posties could've gotten their drugs for free, but if they used them with management complicity, they broke the contract with USPS and therefore owe USPS their X million dollars back.

 

[Race Radio]

I am sure it was more then Public Strategies is paying Polish to Troll this forum

 

[Oldman]

I am sure it was more then Public Strategies is paying Polish to Troll this forum

C'mon; he just likes to put the "bait" in debate. He knows it's not how much money was used; they want to know what network is operating and how big it is. Cycling and a few dollars of ill-gotten taxpayer money is less the issue than securing the drug trade. I don't need to mention how many Billion$ the DEA is spending pursuing the pot trade which California is poised to legalize. Much of the PEDs are knock-offs of copyrighted products coming from illegal labs worldwide and pose both a security and health risk.
Wouldn't it be ironic if Lance became the poster boy for illegal drug trafficking (forget cheating at sports-that's child's play) with potentially hostile foreign sources?

 

[Darryl Webster]

Isnt the point that if drugs in development stage are/have been used by athletes that theres saposed to be a paper trail of accountability all the way back to the pharmacutical companies?.
"Back door" supplying to elite athletes must surely be one of the major reasons for the FDA to be investigating.
Personaly I`ve allways had a hunch that Lance made contact with some real experts in the field of heamatology when he was diagnosed with cancer and through those relationships gained the access and expertise to blood doping to become the GT rider he suddenly became.
Why else the transformation?
I suspect theres some peeps at Amgen a bit twichy these days

 

[Benotti69]

Isnt the point that if drugs in development stage are/have been used by athletes that theres saposed to be a paper trail of accountability all the way back to the pharmacutical companies?.
"Back door" supplying to elite athletes must surely be one of the major reasons for the FDA to be investigating.
Personaly I`ve allways had a hunch that Lance made contact with some real experts in the field of heamatology when he was diagnosed with cancer and through those relationships gained the access and expertise to blood doping to become the GT rider he suddenly became.

I am not so sure armstrong did it on his own. someone close to him probably copped on that some of the stuff he was taking was good for performance. He was kind of busy trying to 'cheat' death, sorry a pun, beat cancer would be more correct.

Why else the transformation?

transformation is a bad choice of word here. 'why else the better performance in GTs?'. LA did not transform anything, he started taking PEDs that improved his GT performance. I dont like the word transformation as he has used it to justify his change of body and therefore ability to win GTs.

I suspect theres some peeps at Amgen a bit twichy these days

i suspect a good few people are getting twitchy and have been working shredding machines overtime and looking at foreign property, jobs, climate etc.....

 

[indurain666]

Lol, it took Polish a good two years to figure out that new revolutionary thinking strategy called "logic".

 

[theswordsman]

When I voted for over a million dollars, I included things like paying someone to properly store, transfer and deliver packages of a riders own blood while never ever talking about it. I wonder what the guy on the motorcycle with refrigerated panniers did when he wasn't playing delivery boy to cyclists?

 

[Oldman]

When I voted for over a million dollars, I included things like paying someone to properly store, transfer and deliver packages of a riders own blood while never ever talking about it. I wonder what the guy on the motorcycle with refrigerated panniers did when he wasn't playing delivery boy to cyclists?

Delivery for Le' Domino's