Is race radio being used by riders & teams during this Giro?

[bladerunner]

First & foremost : RIP Wouter Weylandt.

I understand it took 20 minutes plus for the helicopter to get to the scene. Is that "normal" for a big Pro race? Were the riders, team-cars & organisers using radios today? If they were not [because of the UCI enforced restriction] then was the delay in getting the helicopter at the scene due to the teams/organisers not using radios? I don't know if the helicopter had got to the scene sooner it would have prevent anything but 20 minutes is a long time for such a big race/event.

 

[goggalor]

The paramedics obviously have radios. And the race was being televised live, getting the attention of a hospital couldn't have been a problem.

 

[Havetts]

The problem is the helicopter couldnt land on the descent of the climb, they were there soon but couldnt do anything.

 

[Marva32]

I read the race doctor as saying that they were there within 30 seconds of the crash. Getting a helicopter into an area is much more difficult.

 

[Benotti69]

Reviving and then trying to stabilise Wouter in order for him to make it to a hospital was i imagine the priority.

 

[LugHugger]

Race radio has ZERO to do with this tragedy

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

First & foremost : RIP Wouter Weylandt.

I understand it took 20 minutes plus for the helicopter to get to the scene. Is that "normal" for a big Pro race? Were the riders, team-cars & organisers using radios today? If they were not [because of the UCI enforced restriction] then was the delay in getting the helicopter at the scene due to the teams/organisers not using radios? I don't know if the helicopter had got to the scene sooner it would have prevent anything but 20 minutes is a long time for such a big race/event.

have you even seen where he crashed?? how is a heli supposed to land there?

 

[spalco]

have you even seen where he crashed?? how is a heli supposed to land there?

The problem with the helicopter wasn't that he couldn't land imo, but that Weylandt wasn't sufficiently stable to be transported anywhere. They could've put him in the ambulance, driven down the hill and put him in the heli there in a couple minutes but apparently it was hopeless.

And I thought TdF and Giro are exempt from the radio ban anyway, or am I misremembering something there?

 

[Barrus]

The problem with the helicopter wasn't that he couldn't land imo, but that Weylandt wasn't sufficiently stable to be transported anywhere. They could've put him in the ambulance, driven down the hill and put him in the heli there in a couple minutes but apparently it was hopeless.

And I thought TdF and Giro are exempt from the radio ban anyway, or am I misremembering something there?

No, all worldtour events still have race radios. But really in this instance a radio would have had absolutely no use, the medics were there within a minute or something, the ambulance was there shortly after that and the helicopter was there very soon as well, how much quicker could they have been there?

 

[Parrulo]

on a press conference the one og the giro doctors on the sport said that the moment they got there within 20 secs of the crash but the moment they saw him they knew there was nothing that could be done. they still tried but right on spot and didn't put him in an ambulance cus there was no time but there was nothing that could be done. they also thanked garmin's team doctor who left the car and went on to help in the assist.

so radios or no radios heli or no heli, there was nothing that could have been done

 

[El Pistolero]

True, but what if the crash was in a more isolated place of the race. Then radios WOULD have helped. So, the one's who are pro radio will probably use cases like this to strengthen their argument. But it's too soon to be talking about stuff like that now.

 

[For The World]

True, but what if the crash was in a more isolated place of the race. Then radios WOULD have helped. So, the one's who are pro radio will probably use cases like this to strengthen their argument. But it's too soon to be talking about stuff like that now.

No.

If the crash were in an even more isolated location, people still would have known that he'd have crashed, but still wouldn't have been able to provide adequate medical attention for his injuries, nor land a helicopter.

This thread is ridiculous. It's cheapening the life of a man by saying, in an underhanded way, "if there were race radios, he'd be alive". Stop dragging the dead into a discussion of cycling politics.

 

[El Pistolero]

No.

If the crash were in an even more isolated location, people still would have known that he'd have crashed, but still wouldn't have been able to provide adequate medical attention for his injuries, nor land a helicopter.

This thread is ridiculous. It's cheapening the life of a man by saying, in an underhanded way, "if there were race radios, he'd be alive". Stop dragging the dead into a discussion of cycling politics.

No one is saying that because there are race radios in all World Tour events...

And I'm not talking about THIS crash in a more isolated place. You're getting me all wrong.

 

[Benotti69]

I think that there are enough commissars on races nowadays that a rider would not have to wait long for attention in a crash scenario.

I am not sure but i imagine and hope that there are more than the team doctors on every team that are trained in emergency response should the situation require it.

 

[For The World]

And I'm not talking about THIS crash in a more isolated place. You're getting me all wrong.

Well, because you'd said "True, but what if the crash..." in a reply to a thread about the crash that involved Wouter Weylandt, where all others are talking about that same crash, it comes across as though you're talking about THE crash, rather than the crash as another event in the future. That's how it came across.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

First & foremost : RIP Wouter Weylandt.

I understand it took 20 minutes plus for the helicopter to get to the scene. Is that "normal" for a big Pro race? Were the riders, team-cars & organisers using radios today? If they were not [because of the UCI enforced restriction] then was the delay in getting the helicopter at the scene due to the teams/organisers not using radios? I don't know if the helicopter had got to the scene sooner it would have prevent anything but 20 minutes is a long time for such a big race/event.

Firstly - this event does have 2way communication between riders and the team cars.

Even in races where rider radios are exempt, there are always radios between race organizers, teams, commissaries and the medical personnel.


The white car that had stopped before the TV guys were there was the Doctors car so treatment was started immediately. An ambulance - which is at the rear of the cavalcade - was also there within minutes.

The terrain meant the medical helicopter could not land near the accident site but sadly in this instance it would not have mattered as the situation was so grave he was not able to stabilized before being transported by either road or air.

 

[El Pistolero]

Well, because you'd said "True, but what if the crash..." in a reply to a thread about the crash that involved Wouter Weylandt, where all others are talking about that same crash, it comes across as though you're talking about THE crash, rather than the crash as another event in the future. That's how it came across.

Ah, meant to say "a crash"

As I sadly think Weylandt died on the spot and it was obvious nothing could have been done.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

on a press conference the one og the giro doctors on the sport said that the moment they got there within 20 secs of the crash but the moment they saw him they knew there was nothing that could be done. they still tried but right on spot and didn't put him in an ambulance cus there was no time but there was nothing that could be done. they also thanked garmin's team doctor who left the car and went on to help in the assist.

so radios or no radios heli or no heli, there was nothing that could have been done

he was dead on impact which is not strange when you hear the storys how he was catapulted into the wall. things like this can't be helped. man weylandt seems almost like destiny. he had the most horrific crashes and he has often said how lucky he was to still be alive. last year he flew over a barricada 10 metres down but he flipped over like 10x untill he landed on his feet!! instead of head.

 

[Anonymous]

Reading the various stories it seems more and more clear that he was dead when the first medics arrived on the scene (within 30 seconds) and this was pretty clear from those who had the misfortune of seeing it on television.

His death wasnt announced till much later when they were able to contact the family.

Regardless of that, radio would have made no difference at all to the accident, or the outcome.

 

[MacRoadie]

The commissaire cars have radios.
The commissaire motos have radios.
The police have radios (tuned to race radio frequencies).
The photo motos have radios.
The TV motos have radios.
The TV helis have radios.
The doctors have radios.
The team cars have radios (tuned to race radio frequencies).

Even in a race where rider radios are banned, there are literally dozens of radios all over the course on official "race radio".

 

[brianf7]

Doctors and paramedice on the scean imediatly is all anyone can do they cant transport untill paitent is stable usualy 30-40 mins and often longer.

The Ambulance is the first place of re sussitation.

 

[veganrob]

No.

If the crash were in an even more isolated location, people still would have known that he'd have crashed, but still wouldn't have been able to provide adequate medical attention for his injuries, nor land a helicopter.

This thread is ridiculous. It's cheapening the life of a man by saying, in an underhanded way, "if there were race radios, he'd be alive". Stop dragging the dead into a discussion of cycling politics.

Agreed. This is stupid. CLose it.

 

[python]

Reading the various stories it seems more and more clear that he was dead when the first medics arrived on the scene (within 30 seconds) and this was pretty clear from those who had the misfortune of seeing it on television.

His death wasnt announced till much later when they were able to contact the family.

Regardless of that, radio would have made no difference at all to the accident, or the outcome.

this is probably the most accurate account of what happened.

popovich said yesterday that a teammate was 2-3 seconds behind and (sadly and tragically) saw a lifeless face as he passed.

 

[Benotti69]

Gazzetta della Sport have an illustration that shows what they think happened, probably assisted by the polizia who have to investigate, if anyone would like to understand why it happened, but it looks like Wouter died upon impact. A small blessing.

 

[thirteen]

Gazzetta della Sport have an illustration that shows what they think happened, probably assisted by the polizia who have to investigate, if anyone would like to understand why it happened, but it looks like Wouter died upon impact. A small blessing.

can you post the link?

and, yes, i think all of us that saw him on television afterwards knew... we just didn't want to believe.