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Jaja 95 vs. Bala 17 (Duel of the juggernauts)

As already mentioned in the Valverde nuclear holocaust thread, I started comparing the seasons of Jalabert in 1995 with the Valverde season of 2017. And I always wanted to start a comparison like that. ;) ;) ;)

First of all, it is difficult to put both seasons into points. CQRanking gives points for leader jerseys, which is difficult for the 1995 season. We have a version of cn online from that year, but not with all results as today. We could use the UCI points from today or from 1995 an apply them. Not the best option, because races had different categories and it is kind of difficult to measure the quality of a field in 1995, when you only have the stage top ten or top three. For example, both Jaja and Bala won Volta a Catalunya against strong competition. But Jaja won the race in June, which makes it difficult to compare.

One source, that tries to compare all these season and also add up the points from all these seasons is cyclingranking.com. Here you can find the score list -> https://www.cyclingranking.com/ScoreList It's another thing to judge this score list, because there is no indication what a hard stage is and what a normal stage is. But that doesn't matter right now. I wanted to look at the whole season.

In 1995 Jalabert scored an absurd high 5105 points. This was only beaten by very few riders since 1945. Merckx of course several times, but he is as always fuoriclasse. Maertens in 1976 and Kelly twice in 1984 and 1985. Those guys are too far away, but the times of Jaja still seem close enough today. Also with the Vuelta moving to September for the first time that year.

For this spring campaign, this is the comparison for now.

Laurent Jalabert 1995
Flèche wallonne
G.P Primavera
Critérium international (+2 stages)
Milano - Sanremo
Paris - Nice (+1 stage)
1 stage Vuelta a Valenciana
Llucmajor-Playa de Palma

Alejandro Valverde 2017
Liège - Bastogne - Liège
Flèche Wallonne
Vuelta al Pais Vasco (+1 stage, points classification)
Volta Ciclista a Catalunya (+3 stages, mountain classification)
Vuelta a Andalucia Ruta Ciclista Del Sol (+1 stage, points classification)
Vuelta Ciclista a la Region de Murcia 'Costa Calida'

Those are only the wins.

Jaja's complete palmares for that year looks like that...it's insane.

1er de la 2ème manche du challenge de Majorque
1er de la 2ème étape (a) du Tour de Valence
1er dela 2ème étape de Paris-Nice
1er de Paris-Nice
1er de Milan-San Remo
1er de la 1ère étape du Critérium International
1er d ela 2ème étape du Critérium International
1er du Critérium International
1er du G.P Primavera
1er de la Flèche Wallonne
1er du Critérium de Calais
1er de la 3ème étape du G.P du Midi-Libre
1er de la 1ère étape du Tour de Catalogne
1er de la 7ème étape du Tour de Catalogne
1er du Tour de Catalogne
1er de la 12ème étape du Tour de France
1er de la 3ème étape du Tour de Galice
1er du Circuit de l'Aulne
1er de la 3ème étape du Tour d'Espagne
1er de la 5ème étape du Tour d'Espagne
1er de la 8ème étape du Tour d'Espagne
1er de la 15ème étape du Tour d'Espagne
1er de la 17ème étape du Tour d'Espagne
1er du Tour d'Espagne
1er de la Ronde des Korrigans
1er du Bol d'Or des Monédières
1er du Critérium de Château-Chinon
1er du Critérium de Toulouse
1er de l'Omnium de Leganès
1er de l'Omnium d'Alcobendas
1er du classement par points du Tour de France
1er du classement par points du Tour d'Espagne
1er du classement de la montagne du Tour d'Espagne
2ème du Tour de Valence
2ème de la 1ère étape de Paris-Nice
2ème de la 7ème étape de Paris-Nice
2ème de la 8ème étape (b) de Paris-Nice
2ème de la 3ème étape du Tour du Pays Basque
2ème de la 4ème étape du Tour du Pays Basque
2ème de la 5ème étape (a) du Tour du Pays Basque
2ème du Tour du Pays Basque
2ème de la 6ème étape du Tour de Catalogne
2ème de la 1ère étape du Tour de France
2ème de la 6ème étape du Tour de France
2ème de la 2ème étape du Tour de Galice
2ème de la 7ème étape du Tour d'Espagne
2ème de la 9ème étape du Tour d'Espagne
2ème de la 12ème étape du Tour d'Espagne
2ème de la 16ème étape du Tour d'Espagne
3ème de la 3ème étape du Critérium International
3ème de la 5ème étape (b) du Tour du Pays Basque
3ème du prologue du Tour de Catalogne
3ème de la 2ème étape du Tour de Catalogne
3ème de la 3ème étape du Tour de Catalogne
3ème de la 1ère étape du Tour d'Espagne
3ème de la 4ème étape du Tour d'Espagne
4ème du Challenge de Majorque
4ème de Liège-Bastogne-Liège
4ème du Tour de France
4ème de la Clasica San Sebastian
6ème du G.P du Midi-Libre
6ème de la Leeds Classic
7ème du Tour de Galice
12ème du Championnat de Zürich

Normally Bala's calendar will look like Criterium du Dauphiné, Nationals, Tour, San Sebastian, Vuelta, Worlds and Lombardia. So...will he equal Jaja's 1995 season? How close will he come? What do you guys think?
 
He's not as versatile as Jaja so he won't get the same level of results, plus he's unlikely to be able to win the Vuelta.
But that's no shame. The entire ONCE team was amazing that year, and Jaja was at his peak. About the only race that season where he didn't look like a threat to win was the Euskal Bizikleta. And even there he got a 4th and a 10th in stages.

BTW, you've included criteriums there.

I don't think he'll get there but he won't be far IMO.
 
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GuyIncognito said:
He's not as versatile as Jaja so he won't get the same level of results, plus he's unlikely to be able to win the Vuelta.
But that's no shame. The entire ONCE team was amazing that year, and Jaja was at his peak. About the only race that season where he didn't look like a threat to win was the Euskal Bizikleta. And even there he got a 4th and a 10th in stages.

BTW, you've included criteriums there.

I don't think he'll get there but he won't be far IMO.

Well he certainly don't look as an outsider to me, in fact I would say he's one of the prime picks
 
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Netserk said:
He'll wait for the sprint in Bergen and get beaten by Sagan or someone else.

The riders I've seen talking about it don't seem to think Sagan is going to win this time.

Personally I haven't seen the course.
Sagan has to be one of the top favorites. The route imo suits him very well, as the climb probably won't be hard enough for Ardennes specialists but might be too hard for pure sprinters considering the ascent is climbed over 10 times. It's probably slightly harder than MSR, but with the last climb more further away from the finish.

Still, if teams like Belgium, Poland, Spain,... ride very fast on the climbs, Valverde surely has a chance.
 
roundabout said:
Valverde 2017 after Liege - 1637 CQ points

Jalabert 1995 after Liege - 1861 CQ points (1625 without C-I)

For 1995 I used the 2017 categories of the races held (or the category of the last race held for C-I). Probably missed some minor results

Thank you very much. That makes it a bit more comparable. :cool: 1861 is insane...

Durden93 said:
Gilbert 2011

Gilbert 2011 - 3180
Sagan 2016 - 3307

Those are the numbers Valverde will face first, then Jaja. But with more thinking about it, Jaja seems out of reach.
 
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Netserk said:
He'll wait for the sprint in Bergen and get beaten by Sagan or someone else.

Yes, the 2018 and 2019 routes are likely to suit him much better. Of course we don't know the Yorkshire route yet, but the potential for difficult parcours seems to be endless in that region.

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Stage 3 of this year's Tour of Yorkshire. Imagine a final like that (the last 20k). It's tailor-made for him. 4 short, very steep climbs in a row, all less than 2k.