Join the dots? How dirty is Lotto?

[luckyboy]

this premise of "are <hint hint, cough cough> they doping?" is a false dichtomy, because they achieve results, ergo, doping.

Well this is the only part of your post that made sense, but I don't see how it is a false dichotomy. The riders are either doping or they are clean, there aren't any middle grounds or other options.

Gerrans and Lloyd won their stages from long breaks, so comparing their talents/results isn't too relevant.

 

[craig1985]

Again: reputation based on what? Hearsay? His long streak of victories? His lightning attacks?

His most unsuspected achievement was his 7th = 6th place in the Giro 3 years ago. The same Giro Sella was busted and Ricco slipped through the maze to be busted later on.

But do enlighten me with this insider info you are apparently sitting on.

I've never claimed to be an insider but several people on here have claimed that José De Caluwé was a supplier of PEDs when JVDB was still an amateur and had a reputation for taking PEDs, and another poster who is based in Holland used to ride on the Elite scene and Johnny Hoogerland and Nikki Terpstra had a reputation for going on a 'shopping' trip to Belgium and be flying when they did their next race.

Also why I used words like 'allegations', and 'rumours', and unlike blackcat where I won't just called somebody a straight-out doper (like Wigans or Cav, but have no basis for it).

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Ah, other forum members... Of course.

You HAVE GOT to be kidding me.

 

[roundabout]

You do know that it's not exactly impossible for them to be right?

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

You do know that it's not exactly impossible for them to be right?

When you walk down the street and accuse a random guy of murder, it's also not impossible to be right.

 

[roundabout]

When you walk down the street and accuse a random guy of murder, it's also not impossible to be right.

Extremely bad analogy alert as I am not talking about a random guess.

 

[craig1985]

Ah, other forum members... Of course.

You HAVE GOT to be kidding me.

I haven't called a JVDB a doper, I just said it wouldn't surprise me if he did. Perhaps logic fails you.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Extremely bad analogy alert as I am not talking about a random guess.

Of course you are. If not, let's see some evidence.

I haven't called a JVDB a doper, I just said it wouldn't surprise me if he did. Perhaps logic fails you.

No, that's not what you said. You said he had a reputation. Based on nothing. Reading comprehansion fails you it seems.

It wouldn't surprise me anyone in the peleton is a doper. Doesn't mean i'm going to randomly point fingers based on... what some guy on an anonymous forum said.

 

[craig1985]

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=569742&postcount=29

DT is actually a respected member on here and one of the best posters on here, I doubt he is the sort that just makes stuff up just for the hell of it. Oh and BTW, it's peloton, before you question how literate I am.

 

[El Pistolero]

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=569742&postcount=29

DT is actually a respected member on here and one of the best posters on here, I doubt he is the sort that just makes stuff up just for the hell of it. Oh and BTW, it's peloton, before you question how literate I am.

You mean the guy that said FS was not a climber?

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=569742&postcount=29

DT is actually a respected member on here and one of the best posters on here, I doubt he is the sort that just makes stuff up just for the hell of it.

Not really helping your case here.

Oh and BTW, it's peloton, before you question how literate I am.

Good for you.

 

[Ferminal]

OPL really need to check their blood bags...

 

[Lanark]

Could have used some new TB500 about now, a shame the police confiscated it.

 

[craig1985]

Not really helping your case here.




Good for you.

Surprised you haven't gone after all the posters who make a doping thread on the day's stage winner who have accused a rider of doping without showing anything. Nor blackcat who calls Sky and Cav dopers and has never backed his claims up except by saying to look at their faces which is apparently the result of HGH abuse. That's a whole lot worse than what I've apparently done.

Sorry but sometimes I question your logic.

 

[frenchfry]

John Lelangue encouraging Evans from the team car. Last time we saw him with a rider taking the yellow jersey on the last ITT he was following Landis.

edit: oops, wrong thread

 

[Cycle Chic]

http://translate.google.co.uk/trans.../search?q=antoine+vayer+2011&hl=en&prmd=ivnso

 

[Cycle Chic]

http://translate.googleusercontent....96.php&usg=ALkJrhiPJpqImBB4mF8OBE7QqZ0ntvcQtQ

 

[sniper]

http://translate.googleusercontent....96.php&usg=ALkJrhiPJpqImBB4mF8OBE7QqZ0ntvcQtQ

this guy, de mondenard, is talking common sense.

regarding vansevenant's doping package found just before the tour:

« plusieurs éléments indiquent que c’est pour une pratique dopante à l’échelle d’une équipe : les quantités importantes, la sophistication du produit, le fait qu’il soit sans doute indécelable… et la commande faite juste avant le Tour. »

Several indications suggest doping practice across a team: the large quantities, the sophistication of the product, the fact that it is probably undetectable... and the order placed just before the Tour.

 

[L'arriviste]

this guy, de mondenard, is talking common sense.

regarding vansevenant's doping package found just before the tour:

Also previously discussed here.

 

[Cycle Chic]

Yep - sorry - didnt know it had been discussed before.

 

[L'arriviste]

Yep - sorry - didnt know it had been discussed before.

Oh, it wasn't a complaint or anything, I just thought that you might be interested in what other people said about that article.

 

[Anonymous]

this dirty

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[roundabout]

Oh my.....

 

[Anonymous]

this dirty

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ey, that was a magazine advert for lynx deoderant.

 

[Paco_P]

This is getting ridiculous. It's like arguing rich people are automatically thiefs.

For a lot of us that seems to be a good assumption.