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Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard: The Wizard of Visma

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  • The Chicken who eats Riis for breakfast

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  • When they go low, Vingo high

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  • The Fishman Cometh

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I also think they will (and should) both go to the Tour next year, and that it won't be a major issue for the team to manage.
I agree. If not for the stage 6 breakaway I think Roglic and Vingegaard would’ve had freedom to battle it out between the two of them and it wouldn’t have been that complicated. Plus with crashes/illness/injury it’s better to have 2 guys.
 
Don't buy for a second there is real animosity there, if there was Vingegaard would have planted Roglic on stage 17, rather than just sitting in his wheel all the way across the line.

I also think they will (and should) both go to the Tour next year, and that it won't be a major issue for the team to manage.
He was dying in his wheel, both on Angliru and Javalambre, but wouldn't let go as if his life depends on that.
 
I agree. If not for the stage 6 breakaway I think Roglic and Vingegaard would’ve had freedom to battle it out between the two of them and it wouldn’t have been that complicated. Plus with crashes/illness/injury it’s better to have 2 guys.
Nah, don't think so. Maybe up to a point but eventually they would settle to ride for the one in the lead. It would have looked absurd to see Vinge attack Roglic, or the other way around, in one of the final mountain stages. If Kuss was out of it I actually think it would have been easier for Rogla and Vinge to accept ride for the other in the final week. And why let them going to war with each other and risk blowing up? Better to have the other ready if somethings happens to the red jersey.
 
He was dying in his wheel, both on Angliru and Javalambre, but wouldn't let go as if his life depends on that.
Not sure about Angliru, Vinge didn't look as laboured at the finish as he did in some of the earlier stages, for example the Tourmalet stage. My impression is that Vinge seems sharper in the third week than in week one and two.
 
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He was dying in his wheel, both on Angliru and Javalambre, but wouldn't let go as if his life depends on that.
On Javalambre he wasn't that strong (we know the reason for that: he had just been sick) but on Angliru, I didn't really see him in trouble at all. Their styles differ a little, Roglic spinning the smaller gear, Vingegaard laboring a bit more, that's all.
I also think they will (and should) both go to the Tour next year, and that it won't be a major issue for the team to manage.
Yeah, if Sepp Kuss doesn't somehow conquer yellow at some point, there won't be much of a problem. The dynamic is totally different when Pogacar is there. Then they have a common enemy, rather than fighting against each other. To the benefit of both of them (mainly Roglic though, Vingegaard has shown that he can do it on his own).
 
We are lucky with Jonas, it is very easy to see when he is in pain (see tourmalet). Roglic is almost impossible to read, for me at least.

On Angliru I saw nothing to indicate he was anyware near his limit.
The tricky thing about Roglic is his default climbing style looks very distressed at least to me. Most riders start getting out of the saddle when in jeopardy but he does that all the time, and always has his back completely horizontal or even pointed downwards, but then maintains it the entire way.
 
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Vingegaard at 6420 points after today's update, Roglic a clear nr2 with 4783 (-1637)
It seems to be a wicked amount of points that Vingegaard accumulated in 2023, comparing it to the last handful of years' annual stats, which often are between 2900 to 3400 for Nr1 on UCI's Stage Race world ranking.

Roglic in 2019 with 4004 points seems to be the second highest.
https://tinyurl.com/muvwvrpu

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Vingegaard at 6420 points after today's update, Roglic a clear nr2 with 4783 (-1637)
It seems to be a wicked amount of points that Vingegaard accumulated in 2023, comparing it to the last handful of years' annual stats, which often are between 2900 to 3400 for Nr1 on UCI's Stage Race world ranking.

Roglic in 2019 with 4004 points seems to be the second highest.
https://tinyurl.com/muvwvrpu

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The Tour winner last year received 1000 UCI points, this year 1300, they changed the points system.
 
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The Tour winner last year received 1000 UCI points, this year 1300, they changed the points system.
Only the Tour changed point schematics from 1000 to 1300, or also across the other-stage races for the season.?
// It seems so, as Sepp's 2023 Vuelta -win gave him 1100 points, and the Vuelta wouldnt have been higher in 2022 than the Tour..
so definitely some inflation in these numbers when comparing them with a year-to-year perspective...

Last year, Vingeaard seemed to end at 2921 points as nr1 and Tadej Pogacar nr2 with 2733 points. (World Stage race ranking<)
_For 2023* these are the highest point scores for Jonas..
Stages - UCI WorldTour
23 Jul 2023Tour de France - Final Classification - General Classification11300
17 Sep 2023La Vuelta Ciclista a España - Final Classification - General Classification2885
11 Jun 2023Critérium du Dauphiné - Final Classification - General Classification1500
08 Apr 2023Itzulia Basque Country - Final Classification - General Classification1400
 
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Vingegaard at 6420 points after today's update, Roglic a clear nr2 with 4783 (-1637)
It seems to be a wicked amount of points that Vingegaard accumulated in 2023, comparing it to the last handful of years' annual stats, which often are between 2900 to 3400 for Nr1 on UCI's Stage Race world ranking.

Roglic in 2019 with 4004 points seems to be the second highest.
https://tinyurl.com/muvwvrpu

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Yes, please indulge in how your favourite rider is #1 through data. That will surely give him popularity.
 
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Yes, please indulge in how your favourite rider is #1 through data. That will surely give him popularity.

Yeah, pretty ridiculous to post good things about a rider you like in said rider's thread, when it's much better to post bad things about other riders in their threads ;)

That said, it doesn't make much sense to look at UCI rankings. They're also wrong half of the time, because they fail to understand their own points system.
 
Yeah, pretty ridiculous to post good things about a rider you like in said rider's thread, when it's much better to post bad things about other riders in their threads ;)

That said, it doesn't make much sense to look at UCI rankings. They're also wrong half of the time, because they fail to understand their own points system.
Spare me the irony. The point is that calling up data and rankings to gauge performances is an attempt at making subjective preference having an objective quality assessment. I would find it cringy even if it was about another rider.
 
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