- Apr 30, 2011
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He has lost his spurting power, but he's still in the lead. Or maybe he just won't attack the guy who pulls for him on Angliru.
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Not in Mt Ventoux form surely but kudos to Almeida for his performance. Anything can still happen, that I agree with.
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It looks like you were right and Almeida is closer to Vingegaard than most expected (he was probably slightly stronger than the Dane today). Let's see how the rest of the race unfolds though.
- Jul 7, 2013
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I think this year Vingegaard is more prone to subpar performances, like Hautacam or TdF TT. He's not as consistently superb as in 2022-2023. Last year was different (due to the crash) but I would say he was relatively better then (considering his hampered preparation).
- Jun 30, 2022
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Indeed. Mt Ventoux is more an outliner compared to the subpar performances from him and his standard all year now almost, for the most part anyway.
Dauphine hardly very impressive climbing for Jonas standards again keep in mind, same before, he indeed was at Ventoux and some others but in general all year not that impressive in the sense its Jonas were talking about and the standards that implies and should be imo and relative to Almeida thats not what it used to be, thats all.
I would love to see a crazy vintage performance more regular from him to erase my personal doubts, thats all. That can still happen and would love that. The numbers chico, they never lie.
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- Apr 13, 2021
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Congratulations to Simon gerrens on keeping the red jersey
I don´t think Almeida would have been close to Vingegaard at the Tour.
The Tour is taking its toll on Vingegaard. Almeida has been injured, but ironically, that has given him a chance to rest his legs. Besides, it seems like he started training a while ago. He recovered quickly from his injury.
Vingegaard on Tour version would have gained more time on Kuss and Hindley today.
Pidcock also dropped him two days ago. At the Tour, Pidcock wouldn't have droppe Vingegaard.
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- Apr 30, 2011
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Gerrans would never lose a sprint like that.
- Jul 7, 2013
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The best version of Vingegaard (like Ventoux or Peyreguades) would've distanced Almeida but keep in mind that even at the Tour he was inconsistent. The Tour may be taking its toll but it will be easier to sum up his performances when the race is over.
- Jul 16, 2015
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It's not just relative Almeida, it's Hindley. If someone said two weeks ago that Vingegaard would 'only' put 28 seconds into Hindley on Angliru, it would have been deemed a prediction of a mediocre performance.
But as always this is also looking at it relative the Jonas Vingegaard circa 2023 level, i.e. pre-Itzulia crash. Back then he was a multi race dominator over the whole season. Here? He's looking more like Froome during his prime, i.e. strong TdF (with an occasional off-day where he loses some time) and then a good Vuelta but not at the same level as the Tour (& in Froome's case often not good enough to win it).
He's still favorite to win of course. But that ITT next week could be unpleasant if the trajectory continues downward.
But as always this is also looking at it relative the Jonas Vingegaard circa 2023 level, i.e. pre-Itzulia crash. Back then he was a multi race dominator over the whole season. Here? He's looking more like Froome during his prime, i.e. strong TdF (with an occasional off-day where he loses some time) and then a good Vuelta but not at the same level as the Tour (& in Froome's case often not good enough to win it).
He's still favorite to win of course. But that ITT next week could be unpleasant if the trajectory continues downward.
Despite what you say, Vingegaard would have gained more time on Kuss and Hindley in the Tour. He gained more time on Kuss on any mountain in the Tour.
Almeida would have been further behind of him in the Tour.
And, being injured has been a "good" thing for Almeida, because he recovered quickly and it has allowed him to arrive more rested.
- Jun 11, 2021
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Pretty sure he is at a similar level as at the Vuelta two years ago.
Good but clearly a level below his Tour form. Like others said, irrespective of Almeida he is also putting limited time into the likes of Kuss and Hindley.
Going to be interesting if his form rises or dips in the third week. If he's subpar Almeida might not really need to put any more time into him on the road and just take it in the ITT.
Good but clearly a level below his Tour form. Like others said, irrespective of Almeida he is also putting limited time into the likes of Kuss and Hindley.
Going to be interesting if his form rises or dips in the third week. If he's subpar Almeida might not really need to put any more time into him on the road and just take it in the ITT.
- Feb 20, 2012
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He's slightly better than the 2023 Vuelta IMO, and he just happened to not be on a great day on the most important MTF of the race.
In 2023 he had a really poor stretch where he was very lucky the damage was minimal, but it included struggling on Xorret de Catí and getting deleted in the sprint after, getting easily gapped on Caravaca de la Cruz where he didn't wind up losing seconds because of the wonky finish line timings, and it included a really poor time trial where he barely put time into Kuss.
Then on the Tourmalet he attacks first and he takes like 30-40s with a tailwind while they're playing tactical games behind. Bejes was 100% down to tactical games behind as well, and on the Angliru they were only 30s slower than this year despite way suboptimal pacing, so I doubt very much even Vingegaard could have easily gone much faster.
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Vingegaard at this Vuelta is close to his TDF level. He literally did 2 of his best 10 career performances.
Valdezcaray - his 3rd best performance EVER
Angliru - his 7th best performance EVER
THE DATA NEVER LIES.
At some point you guys need to realize that Almeida is not Lipowitz or Onley.
Even Tadej cannot dominate him the same way he dominates these guys.
Even Tadej cannot dominate him the same way he dominates these guys.
- Feb 20, 2012
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Imagine complaining others are detached from reality while cycing W2W's bs algorithm as evidence.It appears that some people here are detached from reality so let me enlighten them a little bit.Jonas Vingegaard - Performance level, year-by-year analysis, watts estimations
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Vingegaard at this Vuelta is close to his TDF level. He literally did 2 of his best 10 career performances.
Valdezcaray - his 3rd best performance EVER
Angliru - his 7th best performance EVER
THE DATA NEVER LIES.
Maybe I'm detached from reality or maybe people underrate what Jonas did on Valdezcaray.
Almeida literally rode everyone off his wheel (bar Pidcock) on 6%. That was a brutally hard climb.
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