Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Mountain Sprinter

[DNP-Old]

I can't trust a ranking system that puts Remco higher than Pog.

It would be wise to read what CQ actually is before making statements like these.

 

[bNator]

It would be wise to read what CQ actually is before making statements like these.

Why would you assume i didn't?

 

[DNP-Old]

Why would you assume i didn't?

Because I can.

 

[bNator]

Because I can.

Good. I guess...

 

[Froome]

Still no news about him? Very strange.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Still no news about him? Very strange.

Maybe the doctors have found out he‘s actually a cyborg?

 

[Lequack]

After undergoing surgery earlier this week, Vingegaard has now been offered the opportunity to be flown home to Denmark on a medical plane. "We are in the process of initiating the next step in the process," states the Spanish media, which also reveals that both Vingegaard, his team and family have received this offer.

Although Vingegaard is Danish, he and his family have decided to settle in Switzerland, so it is still unclear whether he will accept the offer to be flown to Denmark or prefer to be flown to Switzerland.

Jonas Vingegaard fortsætter sin rejse mod helbredelse: lægefly tilbudt efter styrt

erhvervsfronten.dk

 

[Froome]

Now getting the opportunity for treatment in Denmark
After undergoing surgery earlier this week, Vingegaard has now been offered the opportunity to be flown home to Denmark on a medical plane. "We are in the process of initiating the next step in the process," states the Spanish media, which also reveals that both Vingegaard, his team and family have received this offer.

Settlement in Switzerland creates uncertainty about where the treatment must take place
Although Vingegaard is Danish, he and his family have decided to settle in Switzerland, so it is still unclear whether he will accept the offer to be flown to Denmark or prefer to be flown to Switzerland.

Jonas Vingegaard fortsætter sin rejse mod helbredelse: lægefly tilbudt efter styrt

erhvervsfronten.dk

Nothing new, they are telling the same AS said some days ago.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Maybe the doctors have found out he‘s actually a cyborg?

Surely the mechanics and engineers will have arrived by now, unless they are travelling from a distant planet.

 

[Froome]

Maybe the doctors have found out he‘s actually a cyborg?

They already discovered he was a cyborg since the famous TT in the last Tour France!

 

[Extinction]

Let's just hope he comes back to full strength, when does not matter, for he may be the most aerobically efficient rider the sport has ever seen. To have a rider of this calibre put out of commission like this would be sad.

 

[Gargamel35]

I think doctors poked some batteries out of their slot and were trying to find out where they go, so Jonas could be turned on again. Now everything is fine, he's moving and can be moved to the main factory for a rebuild.

 

[FanBoi]

Vingegaard still in hospital. The only one of the crashed riders, who is still hospitalized.

Visma afviser spansk historie om Jonas Vingegaard

Jonas Vingegaard er stadig indlagt, oplyser Visma | Lease a Bike til TV 2 Sport.

sport.tv2.dk

 

[Berniece]

Why would you assume i didn't?

Because it's a silly statement when you know it's a rolling window of 1 year.

 

[AmRacer]

Vingegaard still in hospital. The only one of the crashed riders, who is still hospitalized.

Visma afviser spansk historie om Jonas Vingegaard

Jonas Vingegaard er stadig indlagt, oplyser Visma | Lease a Bike til TV 2 Sport.

sport.tv2.dk

That's not good. It can sadly be career changing injuries.

 

[DNP-Old]

On Thursday he will have been bedridden for exactly two weeks, and that's just in the hospital. He ain't even home yet without clear date of when allowed to leave yet. He probably had no other activity besides stumbling to the toilet. He has about six weeks left for Dauphine and ten for Le Tour. I ain't no doctor and won't be talking in hyperboles of will make it, won't make it, but that ain't looking so good.

This overall cycling season has been horrific, and things aren't getting any better.

 

[Ricco']

"Studies on non-athletes suggest that it takes about a week to counter the endurance losses of a two-week bed rest, and two weeks to regain neuromuscular function after a four-week break. But it’s possible that athletes, with their higher initial fitness, might take longer to regain those heights."

How Athletes Can Bounce Back After Bed Rest

When illness or injury forces you to take a complete break, researchers have some ideas on how to limit the fall-out

www.outsideonline.com

Not adding other complications that might ensue from being confined to a bed for a long period of time.

Middle and long distance running is not my area of expertise in athletics, but I've heard that for an endurance runner a simple week without training (without any injury) while on form needs 4 to 6 weeks of training to go back to initial values.

 

[DNP-Old]

"Studies on non-athletes suggest that it takes about a week to counter the endurance losses of a two-week bed rest, and two weeks to regain neuromuscular function after a four-week break. But it’s possible that athletes, with their higher initial fitness, might take longer to regain those heights."

How Athletes Can Bounce Back After Bed Rest

When illness or injury forces you to take a complete break, researchers have some ideas on how to limit the fall-out

www.outsideonline.com

Not adding other complications that might ensue from being confined to a bed for a long period of time.

Imagine he doesn't make Le Tour, but can recover to appear at La Vuelta at full strength. Worst season in cycling history?

 

[Elos Anjos]

Let's wait to see what's wrong. It can be or not be a life-changing crash in terms of fitness, but the stress and the mental fortitude comes after assessing what really matters in life and if sacrifices are worth it. After his best season, Tom Dumoulin had a tough season plagued with issues and never really bounced back, quitting the sport for good. Maybe some fans will start appreciating the amount of times that Roglic came back stronger - granted that he never was in the hospital for two weeks.

 

[Gargamel35]

No need to cry about it. He was very lucky for last two, three years coming to Tour with no setbacks while his competition was crashing and had problems all over the place. Now shoe is on the other foot even though most of his competiton crashed hard again. And probably will crash or have other problems in weeks to come.

 

[Froome]

No need to cry about it. He was very lucky for last two, three years coming to Tour with no setbacks while his competition was crashing and had problems all over the place. Now shoe is on the other foot even though most of his competiton crashed hard again. And probably will crash or have other problems in weeks to come.

What competition? Pogacar? Pogacar didn't had setbacks in 2021 and 2022.
Vingegaard had setbacks before the Tour 2021 and some minor setbacks before the Tour 2022.

 

[Peyroteo94]

On Thursday he will have been bedridden for exactly two weeks, and that's just in the hospital. He ain't even home yet without clear date of when allowed to leave yet. He probably had no other activity besides stumbling to the toilet. He has about six weeks left for Dauphine and ten for Le Tour. I ain't no doctor and won't be talking in hyperboles of will make it, won't make it, but that ain't looking so good.

This overall cycling season has been horrific, and things aren't getting any better.

His injuries are clearly worse than we thought and they are not giving us the all picture. I'm starting to believe this can be really a career changing moment.

 

[Lequack]

We need him to post a pic from the hospital with thumbs up, only then will we know.

 

[bNator]

Because it's a silly statement when you know it's a rolling window of 1 year.

So your theory is I didn't know it was a rolling window?
Everyone knows about rolling windows, it's not a rocket science. In fact, the simplicity of these kind of rankings is their biggest shortcoming. These rankings will keep your rating score wighted at 100% for the entire duration of the window and then immediately discard it after the event reoccurs. Why would a result at an event 360 days ago affect current ranking at 100% and 10 days later it would have no effect at all?

It's because of their convenience - they avoid recency bias and are easy to calculate. But if our goal is to rank riders, it would be more appropriate in my opinion if there was some kind of time-based progression where more recent results would be valued the most then gradually they would affect the ranking less as they get older. Though that kind of ranking would have its own challenges (how to deal with off-season) as well as it would be impossible to calculate by hand and I guess that's the reason we don't have one.

Then of course, there's the scoring categories and their points distribution which are debatable to say the least.

Long story short: Not knowing it's a rolling window sum is not the only possible reason why one might not like a certain ranking system...

 

[Netserk]

We need him to post a pic from the hospital with thumbs up, only then will we know.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1780205865288585610

View: https://twitter.com/vismaleaseabike/status/1780205865288585610