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Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Love in Iberia

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On Thursday he will have been bedridden for exactly two weeks, and that's just in the hospital. He ain't even home yet without clear date of when allowed to leave yet. He probably had no other activity besides stumbling to the toilet. He has about six weeks left for Dauphine and ten for Le Tour. I ain't no doctor and won't be talking in hyperboles of will make it, won't make it, but that ain't looking so good.

This overall cycling season has been horrific, and things aren't getting any better.
 
"Studies on non-athletes suggest that it takes about a week to counter the endurance losses of a two-week bed rest, and two weeks to regain neuromuscular function after a four-week break. But it’s possible that athletes, with their higher initial fitness, might take longer to regain those heights."


Not adding other complications that might ensue from being confined to a bed for a long period of time.

Middle and long distance running is not my area of expertise in athletics, but I've heard that for an endurance runner a simple week without training (without any injury) while on form needs 4 to 6 weeks of training to go back to initial values.
 
"Studies on non-athletes suggest that it takes about a week to counter the endurance losses of a two-week bed rest, and two weeks to regain neuromuscular function after a four-week break. But it’s possible that athletes, with their higher initial fitness, might take longer to regain those heights."


Not adding other complications that might ensue from being confined to a bed for a long period of time.
Imagine he doesn't make Le Tour, but can recover to appear at La Vuelta at full strength. Worst season in cycling history?
 
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Let's wait to see what's wrong. It can be or not be a life-changing crash in terms of fitness, but the stress and the mental fortitude comes after assessing what really matters in life and if sacrifices are worth it. After his best season, Tom Dumoulin had a tough season plagued with issues and never really bounced back, quitting the sport for good. Maybe some fans will start appreciating the amount of times that Roglic came back stronger - granted that he never was in the hospital for two weeks.
 
No need to cry about it. He was very lucky for last two, three years coming to Tour with no setbacks while his competition was crashing and had problems all over the place. Now shoe is on the other foot even though most of his competiton crashed hard again. And probably will crash or have other problems in weeks to come.
 
No need to cry about it. He was very lucky for last two, three years coming to Tour with no setbacks while his competition was crashing and had problems all over the place. Now shoe is on the other foot even though most of his competiton crashed hard again. And probably will crash or have other problems in weeks to come.
What competition? Pogacar? Pogacar didn't had setbacks in 2021 and 2022.
Vingegaard had setbacks before the Tour 2021 and some minor setbacks before the Tour 2022.
 
On Thursday he will have been bedridden for exactly two weeks, and that's just in the hospital. He ain't even home yet without clear date of when allowed to leave yet. He probably had no other activity besides stumbling to the toilet. He has about six weeks left for Dauphine and ten for Le Tour. I ain't no doctor and won't be talking in hyperboles of will make it, won't make it, but that ain't looking so good.

This overall cycling season has been horrific, and things aren't getting any better.
His injuries are clearly worse than we thought and they are not giving us the all picture. I'm starting to believe this can be really a career changing moment.
 
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Because it's a silly statement when you know it's a rolling window of 1 year.
So your theory is I didn't know it was a rolling window? :)
Everyone knows about rolling windows, it's not a rocket science. In fact, the simplicity of these kind of rankings is their biggest shortcoming. These rankings will keep your rating score wighted at 100% for the entire duration of the window and then immediately discard it after the event reoccurs. Why would a result at an event 360 days ago affect current ranking at 100% and 10 days later it would have no effect at all?

It's because of their convenience - they avoid recency bias and are easy to calculate. But if our goal is to rank riders, it would be more appropriate in my opinion if there was some kind of time-based progression where more recent results would be valued the most then gradually they would affect the ranking less as they get older. Though that kind of ranking would have its own challenges (how to deal with off-season) as well as it would be impossible to calculate by hand and I guess that's the reason we don't have one.

Then of course, there's the scoring categories and their points distribution which are debatable to say the least.

Long story short: Not knowing it's a rolling window sum is not the only possible reason why one might not like a certain ranking system...
 
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No need to cry about it. He was very lucky for last two, three years coming to Tour with no setbacks while his competition was crashing and had problems all over the place. Now shoe is on the other foot even though most of his competiton crashed hard again. And probably will crash or have other problems in weeks to come.
By competition you mean Pogacar?
Well Vingegaard's competition also were lucky before the Tour 2021 and the Tour 2022.

He was suffering from covid during 2021, he had problems in the achilles tendon before the Tour 2021, he crashed during the Tour 2021 in the famous romme/colombiere stage, and he still did second in the end of the Tour.

Before the Tour 2022 he also had some minor issues in the achilles tendon and in his knees.
You can also aplly that to him.

Pogacar only had a steback before the Tour 2023.


 
No need to cry about it. He was very lucky for last two, three years coming to Tour with no setbacks while his competition was crashing and had problems all over the place. Now shoe is on the other foot even though most of his competiton crashed hard again. And probably will crash or have other problems in weeks to come.
This is just not true. But Vingegaard doesn't come up with excuses for a poor performance in the Tour... he doesn't have to because he won :)

I know there's this myth among Pogacar fanboys that Vingegaard can only beat him if Pogi is somehow injured or lacking in preparation, but this is nonsense. Pogi knows this, that's why he seems to have switched around his preparation this year. Unfortunately for him he probably won't get to show if it actually makes a difference against Vingegaard in the Tour, since Vingegaard won't be there.
 
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This is just not true. But Vingegaard doesn't come up with excuses for a poor performance in the Tour... he doesn't have to because he won :)

I know there's this myth among Pogacar fanboys that Vingegaard can only beat him if Pogi is somehow injured or lacking in preparation, but this is nonsense. Pogi knows this, that's why he seems to have switched around his preparation this year. Unfortunately for him he probably won't get to show if it actually makes a difference against Vingegaard in the Tour, since Vingegaard won't be there.
I'm not ruling him out for the Tour yet, let's see when he starts on the bike and how his body responds, but yeah, it will be difficult to be there at 100%.
 
Of course one is lucky not to crash and to ride against riders that had setbacks or not to ride against them because they had to leave a race.
Yes, it's a fact that Vingo was lucky in that matter in the two previous Tours.
In 2022 had Roglic not crashed (twice) and tactics would have been very different. In 2023 Pogacar crashed in LBL. No one is saying that the outcome would have been different, so calm down your triggering; only that luck plays a part in the sport and Vingo has been reaping its fruits.
 
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This is just not true. But Vingegaard doesn't come up with excuses for a poor performance in the Tour... he doesn't have to because he won :)

I know there's this myth among Pogacar fanboys that Vingegaard can only beat him if Pogi is somehow injured or lacking in preparation, but this is nonsense. Pogi knows this, that's why he seems to have switched around his preparation this year. Unfortunately for him he probably won't get to show if it actually makes a difference against Vingegaard in the Tour, since Vingegaard won't be there.
Teddy M wants to win every GT, GC and important one day race there is. So he doesn't come at his best shape to the Tour anymore.
 
Good news to see him out of the hospital and going back home.

He doesn't look bad considering he was supposed to be in critical condition (as some people said). I think the media and the fans should be more cautious when we are talking about the health of human beings.

I am more optimistic now and I think we will see him on a professional race at least late this year... and hopefully sooner.
 
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