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Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Love in Iberia

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The "ride without hands" thing has become a bit ridiculous. It has nothing to do with his bike handling. In fact in the previous two Tours it became clear that technically Vingegaard is actually quite good. In the time trials he took quite a bit of risk, not crazy, but certainly on the edge. And during the race, Pogacar tried to drop him a couple of times on the descents but he followed with ease (in fact Pogi nearly crashed himself, after which Vingo waited for him).
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What do you mean by nearly?
 
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theyoungest said:
The "ride without hands" thing has become a bit ridiculous. It has nothing to do with his bike handling. In fact in the previous two Tours it became clear that technically Vingegaard is actually quite good. In the time trials he took quite a bit of risk, not crazy, but certainly on the edge. And during the race, Pogacar tried to drop him a couple of times on the descents but he followed with ease (in fact Pogi nearly crashed himself, after which Vingo waited for him).

This year his confidence on the bike was (understandably) not very high, so I don't think you can use this year's Tour as evidence of anything. We'll see next year if he can return to his best, both physically and mentally.
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His second stage win in O Gran Camino this year showed how well he descends when on top. While the inability of Castrillo to follow him on the descent can be down to Castrillo's lack of skills, it's worth noting that Vingegaard distanced all chasers on the descent proper, including Tarling.
 
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Visma-Lease a Bike sports director: Vingegaard has to improve or 'he probably won't be able to beat Pogačar'

Frans Maassen plays down chances that Danish champion will ride 2025 Giro d’Italia
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"Jonas does not like the idea of having to return to the Tour and finish second," Maassen told BT. "He wants to be the best and has to work very hard to get better, and it will be a challenge because if he stays at the same level, he probably won't be able to beat Tadej Pogačar anymore."
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Interesting, didn't expect that to be honest.
 
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In my opinion it just doesn't add up, for a team like Visma to send Jonas to Giro in 2025, considering all the circumstances involved. In regards to GC at the Tour 2025 Jonas is their only option and Giro is hence a no option.

Still, saying it like that, basically that Jonas doesn't have it any more unless he improves. Jeez.
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It was incredibly stupid outburst from Maassen, clearly new Lefevere there sweeet...

And I can't really understand how come they not see any benefit doing two gran tours a row, it's just as beneficial to JV as it is to Pogi, difference between these athletes is fractions not miles. Heck, JV is not doing hefty spring program so what gives?
 
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And I can't really understand how come they not see any benefit doing two gran tours a row, it's just as beneficial to JV as it is to Pogi, difference between these athletes is fractions not miles. Heck, JV is not doing hefty spring program so what gives?
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Idk... they are two different riders, but also:
who is racing at the Giro2025?
What are the odds that JV gets to win it by exerting himself as little as Pogi had to do in 2024?
The Giro dind't hinder Pog and perhaps was, arguably, even beneficial because he got to run it at '85%', cyling outside of his threshold just for short bursts.
Froome's effort at the 2018's Giro was completely different.

On the other hand, given that Pogacar is most likely not running the Giro in 2025, if then Vingo were to lose the Tour to the slovenian, or, perhaps, Remco, then he might have to face again Tadej at the Vuelta, and risk to lose again. Who knows.
Partecipating at the Giro would be a way to secure an important GC win in 2025.

The 'Lance Amstrong way of tackling the racing calendar' comes off fine as long as it works, but if you eventually fail to get "Gold" at the Tour, your seasons ends up being underwhelming.
 
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Idk... they are two different riders, but also:
who is racing at the Giro2025?
What are the odds that JV gets to win it by exerting himself as little as Pogi had to do in 2024?
The Giro dind't hinder Pog and perhaps was, arguably, even beneficial because he got to run it at '85%', cyling out of his threshold just for short bursts.
Froome's effort at the 2018's Giro was completely different.

On the other hand, given that Pogacar is most likely not running the Giro in 2025, if then Vingo were to lose the Tour to the slovenian, or, perhaps, Remco, then he might have to face again Tadej at the Vuelta, and risk to lose again. Who knows.
Partecipating at the Giro would be a way to secure an important GC win in 2025.

The 'Lance Amstrong way of tackling the racing calendar' comes off fine as long as it works, but if you eventually fail to get "Gold" at the Tour, your seasons ends up being underwhelming.
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There were rumours about the Giro going through Slovenia. On that case, Pogacar and Roglic can be there.
 
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memyselfandI said:
It was incredibly stupid outburst from Maassen, clearly new Lefevere there sweeet...

And I can't really understand how come they not see any benefit doing two gran tours a row, it's just as beneficial to JV as it is to Pogi, difference between these athletes is fractions not miles. Heck, JV is not doing hefty spring program so what gives?
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"Incredibly stupid outburst", jesus, overreacting much? Maassen isn't the sharpest tool in the shed, but I think he's mainly kept on board to offer some balance against the overly mathematical and scientific approach of cycling. He's more oldschool (and I don't mean clinic-type oldschool). You should view his comments in that regard as well.

And oh, he's nothing like Lefevere. He's no hypocrite.
 
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The "ride without hands" thing has become a bit ridiculous. It has nothing to do with his bike handling. In fact in the previous two Tours it became clear that technically Vingegaard is actually quite good. In the time trials he took quite a bit of risk, not crazy, but certainly on the edge. And during the race, Pogacar tried to drop him a couple of times on the descents but he followed with ease (in fact Pogi nearly crashed himself, after which Vingo waited for him).

This year his confidence on the bike was (understandably) not very high, so I don't think you can use this year's Tour as evidence of anything. We'll see next year if he can return to his best, both physically and mentally.
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Very true on both descending examples. That TT win in the Tour was also an example of superior recon; he was pretty certain he was taking the right line.
When Pogi slid out he was on the front of sketchy pavement and Jonas had the advance warning to chill out. The decision to sit on Pogi was the wise move in that case.
 
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