Kimmage, Macur and others on Armstrong

[Anonymous]

Video. Kimmage, Macur, Floyd and others

http://nos.nl/video/210777-lance-armstrong-gebruikte-doping.html

mainly in english with dutch commentary

We really need a general armstrong thread in the clinic.

 

[euanli]

Kimmage has spent 7 hours with Landis? Looking forward to that.

 

[theswordsman]

Great video. Thanks, Dim

 

[Anonymous]

Needless to say Ive taken a copy. Its strange how things like this sometimes "dissapear"

 

[I Watch Cycling In July]

Thanks dim. I liked the bit where Macur says other athletes (plural!) have corroborated what floyd said. They corroborated that not only did they all dope, but they were made to, encouraged, and it was paid for.

Kimage doesn't mince his words

 

[washedup]

Needless to say Ive taken a copy. Its strange how things like this sometimes "dissapear"

The days of disappearing articles are ALMOST over.

 

[sniper]

Good stuff.
I'm surprised the NOS broadcasted this.
Apparently, Mart Smeets (on the payroll of the NOS) isn't pulling that many strings anymore.

 

[washedup]

At what point does the story become bigger than the myth?

 

[Berzin]

I've never seen Kimmage so angry. He seems absolutely disgusted.

 

[Greyhound Velo]

That's the first time I've seen Kimmage speak, and I like him even better now. He reminds me of LeMond in that he doesn't pull any punches and isn't afraid to go on record when he's mad.

Incidentally, I'm just finishing up "Lance to Landis" for the first time, and David Walsh has impressed me also. Lots of details that I didn't know and loose ends tied up in that book.

 

[Ferminal]

Pretty much agree with everything Kimmage said.

 

[Granville57]

the clock is ticking...

Great clip. Thanks for posting that.

I've never seen Kimmage so angry. He seems absolutely disgusted.

I was thinking the same. I mean, he must be satisfied with a certain amount of vindication from Floyd but it must fuel the fire even more considering how arrogant and condescending StrongArm was towards him at the ToC press conference.

There must be such a mix of feelings going on for Kimmage. For years he was disparaged as just some bitter, chump rider who couldn't hang, but the truth of the matter was that the guy rode alongside the best riders in the world at the time—in both the Tour and the World Championships. Paul Kimmage knew how pro cycling worked.

I'll bet, in his wildest dreams, he never imagined he'd have one of StrongArms inner circle telling all. Seven hours between Floyd and Kimmage! You know that time was well spent and won't go to waste.

I can perfectly understand how incensed he must be by the long standing injustice of it all. But I'll bet he also slept well the night after the interview. He knows for certain now that he'll get the last word.

Good for him, and good for Floyd for opening up to him. I'm sure Floyd knows that he's easing the burden for Kimmage a bit. One can speculate all they want about Floyd's motivation at this point. I couldn't care less. The ugly truth is finally seeing the light of day.

 

[hfer07]

thanks a lot for the link/video. Kimmage must continue his work as he's properly done it, so we the fans keep our ground with reality and never fall for frauds like LA & Co. I love the bit on how Marion Jones is presented as the closest example of what LA is in the sport industry-a mere fabrication of doping & PR whose days of glory & fame came to an end by a Federal Investigation.

 

[epo1999]

Thanks for posting the video. Kimmage really hit the nail on the head for me. I am a 17 year survivor of stage 4 Angio-Sarcoma, a very rare and aggressive cancer. I was given a 10% chance to like 6mos, and took 15 rounds of chemo over a year. You know why I'm still here? I got lucky. There are people who died from lesser cancers, and people who survive worse ones, and as long as they got a competent level of care, the difference is luck. When Armstrong first got cancer, my heart went out to him. I watched his comeback with some indifference, always skeptical of the story too good to be true. When LAF was putting on the Tour of Hope - a team of riders riding from LA to DC to raise awareness - I applied but never made the team. I decided to just do it myself and rode my bike from SF to Houston, giving the money I earned to the MD Anderson Cancer Center where I received my treatment. I asked the LAF to put a mention of my ride on their site so that more folks might donate, but they said that it was competing with the Tour of Hope. I was kind of floored that this enormous organization considered one guy on a bike in the middle of New Mexico as competition, but I guess that's what it takes to own the world! I thought that any awareness would be good, but it seems that it's only good when centered around LA. I'm digressing, sorry, but this whole self-righteous hero's tale is just making me gag.

 

[MD FACG FACP]

Thanks for posting that.


-Skippy you might want to put that on your "blog".

 

[unsheath]

Thanks for posting the video. Kimmage really hit the nail on the head for me. I am a 17 year survivor of stage 4 Angio-Sarcoma, a very rare and aggressive cancer. I was given a 10% chance to like 6mos, and took 15 rounds of chemo over a year. You know why I'm still here? I got lucky. There are people who died from lesser cancers, and people who survive worse ones, and as long as they got a competent level of care, the difference is luck. When Armstrong first got cancer, my heart went out to him. I watched his comeback with some indifference, always skeptical of the story too good to be true. When LAF was putting on the Tour of Hope - a team of riders riding from LA to DC to raise awareness - I applied but never made the team. I decided to just do it myself and rode my bike from SF to Houston, giving the money I earned to the MD Anderson Cancer Center where I received my treatment. I asked the LAF to put a mention of my ride on their site so that more folks might donate, but they said that it was competing with the Tour of Hope. I was kind of floored that this enormous organization considered one guy on a bike in the middle of New Mexico as competition, but I guess that's what it takes to own the world! I thought that any awareness would be good, but it seems that it's only good when centered around LA. I'm digressing, sorry, but this whole self-righteous hero's tale is just making me gag.

Its nice that you've dedicated your username to him then.

 

[Berzin]

A few questions about Kimmages' interview with Landis-

1) When and where did it take place?

2) Will this interview ever get published? If not, why? Would it have anything to do with the ongoing Federal investigation Floyd has given testimony about?

3) Apparently Kimmage is quite convinced over the details Landis gave, because he is usually so calm and collected when interviewed even about the subject of doping. But he seems genuinely upset, calling Armstrong a total sporting fraud, and doing so with serious conviction.

Any way Armstrong would consider suing Kimmage for making these statements about him? Could his comments be construed as slanderous?

 

[Granville57]

...Any way Armstrong would consider suing Kimmage for making these statements about him? Could his comments be construed as slanderous?

On this point I have to think back to when Floyd's allegations first became public. Armstrong was asked if he would pursue a lawsuit against Landis. His response was that, "it takes time, it takes energy, it take a lot of money" and because of that he didn't seem interested in doing so.

Which is very telling considering how many times he and his team did take legal action against someone. If Landis was really "fabricating" this stuff, wouldn't the lawyers have pounced immediately? But to say, essentially, "Eh, we'll let this one slide," seemed completely ridiculous if not inconceivable.

I would imagine the same situation now with Kimmage. Lance & Co could play the same card about cost, time, blah blah blah and try to protect their image. If they actually did go to court? Then Kimmage calls Floyd as a witness and it's game over!

[Edit]
Here's the lawsuit response at the 7:00 mark
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ym1qz0eO0ww
Johan's body language is also very telling throughout.

 

[Granville57]

A few questions about Kimmages' interview with Landis-

1) When and where did it take place?

2) Will this interview ever get published? If not, why? Would it have anything to do with the ongoing Federal investigation Floyd has given testimony about?

3) Apparently Kimmage is quite convinced over the details Landis gave, because he is usually so calm and collected when interviewed even about the subject of doping. But he seems genuinely upset, calling Armstrong a total sporting fraud, and doing so with serious conviction.

Any way Armstrong would consider suing Kimmage for making these statements about him? Could his comments be construed as slanderous?

Was just doing a Google search to see if I could find the answer to #1.
Search: Kimmage, Landis
Date Range: Past Month.
Second link was back to your post!

 

[Monte Zoncolon]

The enemies of Lance Armstrong. Such as Betsy Andrea, Frankie Andrea, David Walsh, Micheal Anderson, Emma O'Reilly, Stephen Swart, and especially Greg Lemond............ have alway's spoken the truth. For them watching this video, in this ongoing saga, will give them a greater sense of vindication.

 

[Roland Rat]

The enemies of Lance Armstrong. Such as Betsy Andrea, Frankie Andrea, David Walsh, Micheal Anderson, Emma O'Reilly, Stephen Swart, and especially Greg Lemond............ have alway's spoken the truth. For them watching this video, in this ongoing saga, will give them a greater sense of vindication.

I hope that when Armstrong is sent down Betsy comes on here to join in the celebrations. Preferably drunk. And with the swear filter switched off.

 

[thehog]

A few questions about Kimmages' interview with Landis-

1) When and where did it take place?

2) Will this interview ever get published? If not, why? Would it have anything to do with the ongoing Federal investigation Floyd has given testimony about?

3) Apparently Kimmage is quite convinced over the details Landis gave, because he is usually so calm and collected when interviewed even about the subject of doping. But he seems genuinely upset, calling Armstrong a total sporting fraud, and doing so with serious conviction.

Any way Armstrong would consider suing Kimmage for making these statements about him? Could his comments be construed as slanderous?

The Sunday Times still has a score to settle over the Walsh case. To think they had to print a retraction and pay fees.

They also have a juicy story coming up courtesy of Kimmage. A nice two page spread in their weekly edition.

Armstrong won't be suing again. This time around Kimmage can prove he's a fraud.

 

[sniper]

I'd pay some serious dough to see the look on Fat Mart Smeets' face after he checked out this piece of footage.

 

[bobbins]

Murdochs aussie paper, the Herald Sun intends to create a 'multi-media investigations unit' which will publish muck raking stories in a new website and section that it intends to call Private I. I bet they could help the Sunday Times settle a score or two.....

 

[Roland Rat]

Murdochs aussie paper, the Herald Sun intends to create a 'multi-media investigations unit' which will publish muck raking stories in a new website and section that it intends to call Private I. I bet they could help the Sunday Times settle a score or two.....

Blimey, that'll cause an earthquake in pro-Armstrong Australia.

Mike Rann's press conference would be hilarious.