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Mellow Velo said:You know the old saying that still holds true?
If you can't beat them.....join them.![]()
Alpe d'Huez said:USADA doesn't have that kind of money anyway (the USDA might though)..
180mmCrank said:I once ran a class on ethics with a group of bright school kids. They were all struggling to understand why anyone would take PEDs - they just saw it as bad/dumb and wouldn't consider it - they thought anyone caught should be banned for life, locked up throw away the key etc School kids often don't pull any punches with this sort of thing.
So for fun I asked them - "What if you could take a pill that allowed you to memorise everything you needed to know to pass your exams? It had virtually no side effects and was undetectable. No one would ever know you took it. Would you consider taking it?" Some straight away said "No!" and a couple asked for clarity "It would be undetectable?" You could see the gears turning...One even joked "where could they get some?" - at least i think he was joking!
We then had a much richer debate about the merits or otherwise of performance enhancing substances, ethics and the difference between gamesmanship and cheating!
whiteboytrash said:Damsgaard only came in after the 2006 Basso affair but yeah they were still beating post 2006.
Not even carrying water bottles if X number come in with blood in the fridge.... He would be DROPPED and DNF/ time cut as soon as the race hit significant climbing in spain... This goes for anyone, if more than 30 guys come into the race blood doping with their own blood. Not many know the effect of a high hematocrit over 3 whole weeks. Lemond knows this>>>>Alpe d'Huez said:Here, just to give you an idea how realistic (call it jaded if you like, but it's logical) I am when it comes to this, consider this:
When Eddy Merckx set the hour record at his absolute pinnacle, he was topping out with about 380 watts (taking altitude into consideration). If we transported him from 1972 to 2009 he'd probably be a domestique carrying water bottles who might win a stage somewhere or get in some breaks. If we transported him to 2004, he'd probably only be able to make a Continental squad somewhere riding races like the Tour of Missouri.
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You know the old saying that still holds true?
If you can't beat them.....join them
Honestly the USDA would probably do a better job....
BigBoat said:Damsgaard was actually dropped by his hospital over not including other testers in the operation and taking home a free bike from the team.
I have NO reason to believe he is legitimate now or has in the past.
Alpe d'Huez said:Yes, links to such claims would help.