LA makes list of 10 most tainted sports accomplishments

[Merckx index]

http://www.onlinedegreeshub.com/blo...rts-accomplishments-that-are-forever-tainted/

Each player or team below achieved greatness — a much-coveted record or championship — but received some unfair help along the way. Of course, how much that help tainted their accomplishments varies; some deserve asterisks, while others ought to be stricken from the record books altogether. Ultimately, though, it’s the popular opinion of sport fans that determines the athletes’ legacies.

6. Lance Armstrong’s consecutive Tour de France wins (7): It’s a remarkable story no matter what. Armstrong survived metastatic testicular cancer and proceeded to compete at the highest level of cycling. But his seven consecutive Tour de France victories are heavily scrutinized, as numerous accusations of doping have been made by journalists and cyclists, including teammate and confirmed doper Floyd Landis. Suspicion has arisen primarily due to his relationship with controversial trainer Michele Ferrari, and more infamously, a 2006 report from the French sports newspaper L’Equipe claiming to have six urine samples collected during the 1999 Tour de France that tested positive for erythropoietin, a hormone that control red blood cell production. Because Armstrong’s accomplishments were so improbable, many cycling fans will never accept them as legitimate, even if the accusations are never proven.

 

[Andynonomous]

Sea change ?

I think that public opinion is changing towards Lance. Only the most partisan fans of his, and people in his employ are still defending him.

 

[hrotha]

Haha, "Because Armstrong’s accomplishments were so improbable". Yeah, no, you bought them and never dared question them until the evidence was overwhelming, like almost everybody else.

But yes, it's always fun to see public opinion changing like this.

 

[Parrulo]

indeed is funny how the opinion on armstrong is changing with time. even the portuguese eurosport guys who used to be lance fanboys are now changing. just this week they talking about the big investigations about him and on how much trouble he was, and they also hinted the public that armstrong was indeed doping.

ofc after that there was a legion of fanboys insulting them on their facebook page because to those people lance was actually the ONLY clean rider in the peloton cus he had cancer. those were the words of one of the guys

 

[the delgados]

Haha, "Because Armstrong’s accomplishments were so improbable". Yeah, no, you bought them and never dared question them until the evidence was overwhelming, like almost everybody else.

But yes, it's always fun to see public opinion changing like this.

I'm curious to know the "you" to whom you're referring.

I think maybe we tend to forget that the vast majority of folks in North America neither care nor question Armstrong's achievements in cycling.

We all know he doped. But that's because we follow the sport.

Barry Bonds was a huge doper in a sport that people actually cared about. Did they care that he doped? Nope.

I don't know what makes people think that people will think or care that Armstrong doped for a bike race in Europe.

 

[D-Queued]

indeed is funny how the opinion on armstrong is changing with time. even the portuguese eurosport guys who used to be lance fanboys are now changing. just this week they talking about the big investigations about him and on how much trouble he was, and they also hinted the public that armstrong was indeed doping.

ofc after that there was a legion of fanboys insulting them on their facebook page because to those people lance was actually the ONLY clean rider in the peloton cus he had cancer. those were the words of one of the guys

Actually, half the peloton is now out trying to figure out how they can inject this 'cancer' thing.

Meanwhile, early reports from Texas are that Lance is fuming over this new list. He won't rest until his determination and mental tenacity put him in first place.

Hope rides again!

Dave.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

Actually, half the peloton is now out trying to figure out how they can inject this 'cancer' thing.

Meanwhile, early reports from Texas are that Lance is fuming over this new list. He won't rest until his determination and mental tenacity put him in first place.

Hope rides again!

Dave.

Haha! Nicely done! Don't forget "lazer-like focus"...

 

[hrotha]

I'm curious to know the "you" to whom you're referring.

The media.

 

[Merckx index]

Barry Bonds was a huge doper in a sport that people actually cared about. Did they care that he doped? Nope.

I don't know what makes people think that people will think or care that Armstrong doped for a bike race in Europe.

Hint: a six letter word.

 

[Oldman]

Actually, half the peloton is now out trying to figure out how they can inject this 'cancer' thing.

Meanwhile, early reports from Texas are that Lance is fuming over this new list. He won't rest until his determination and mental tenacity put him in first place.

Hope rides again!

Dave.

You are so right! Lance has to be King.

 

[Oldman]

I'm curious to know the "you" to whom you're referring.

I think maybe we tend to forget that the vast majority of folks in North America neither care nor question Armstrong's achievements in cycling.

We all know he doped. But that's because we follow the sport.

Barry Bonds was a huge doper in a sport that people actually cared about. Did they care that he doped? Nope.
I don't know what makes people think that people will think or care that Armstrong doped for a bike race in Europe.

Like legit cyclists most baseball players do care, alot.
And you are correct on the second count, you don't.

 

[warmfuzzies]

Pro cycling is like pro wrestling. Both are scripted, the "drama" is largely manufactured, and most participants dope to the gills. I would compare Lance to Hulk Hogan and Contador to Ric Flair. Hulk, like Lance, has great mic skills. Contador and Ric Flair are both kind of boring when they speak to their fans. It's Contador's turn to win the championship, but the real drama takes place at the side of the ring, where the CAS doping case plays out.

Does anyone else see the similarities between the two "sports"?

 

[the delgados]

Like legit cyclists most baseball players do care, alot.
And you are correct on the second count, you don't.

Actually, I regret wading into this on account of the fact I only read the bolded piece before posting. I spoke before thinking.

I do care that he doped and duped a lot of folks, but that's neither here nor there.

 

[Oldman]

Actually, I regret wading into this on account of the fact I only read the bolded piece before posting. I spoke before thinking.

I do care that he doped and duped a lot of folks, but that's neither here nor there.

No problemo. It's worth it that people have some passion for an issue that does actually go beyond sports and are willing to talk about it.

 

[pleyser]

pro cycling like pro wrestling?

I'm not sure of the cycling stars being akin to pro wrestling stars, but there are similarities. The results in cycling are not predetermined by and large, but somewhat "scripted" by the use of race radios, the occasional on road "deal" and team tactics.

Drama can be manufactured by nationalistic fervour, Lance's me vs. the world mentality, the ongoing corruption of the UCI, the doping scandals, etc. Wrestling and cycling can be viewed as an ongoing soap opera. Sometimes actual race results seem like an afterthought.

Participants in both sports "dope to the gills". The WWE has a drug testing program ("wellness policy"), but curiously, very few of their top stars have ever been caught. Some smaller scale performers here and there, but never a current top performer. Sounds a lot like the UCI.

 

[Fus087]

Personally, I find the comparison of cycling and wrestling hilarious.

Watch any classic. I doubt very much that any rider would strike a deal with an opponent beforehand about the outcome of the race. Even if they would, wrestling involves two opponents (occasionally more) - in cycling you have at least 20 teams and 150 riders in an important race.
During the race itself, it may happen, but you'd be ill-advised to trust in the deal you've made with a breakaway companion etc. in a one-day race - if the victory is possible, they'll turn on you in a second.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Pro cycling is like pro wrestling. Both are scripted, the "drama" is largely manufactured, and most participants dope to the gills. I would compare Lance to Hulk Hogan and Contador to Ric Flair. Hulk, like Lance, has great mic skills. Contador and Ric Flair are both kind of boring when they speak to their fans. It's Contador's turn to win the championship, but the real drama takes place at the side of the ring, where the CAS doping case plays out.

Does anyone else see the similarities between the two "sports"?

Did you just call Ric Flair "boring"?

 

[skippy]

Watched Cav change his wheel at 50km to finish, then saw him alongside Petacci . So according to the Conspiracy theorists he fitted a "motor" , made an agreement with Ale-jet to win but Ventoso obviously was not in on this since he came in second .
Lance once again is the "hero" of the hour since he has been added to a list that leaks like a collander and somewhere recently the clinic was comparing results at certain ages which without a shred of evidence proved he was "doping" because he won a few day events when younger than the others that you people have been tossing mud at !

Fact is there are people using this forum who raced and were such abismal failures they resorted to practices that they are ashamed of and thus try to tar ALL those who Planned and Prepared and accomplished their objective .

Looking at some of the posting numbers it is obvious that being resident on the computer in the clinic is their only claim to fame .

Lance no doubt will see what he can do about being on the "list" but building the "Livestrong Foundation" which is another achievement that people can be jealous of will remain the priority .

Those following my blogs will see I AM NOT a "fanboy" but will be happy to see justice done !

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Watched Cav change his wheel at 50km to finish, then saw him alongside Petacci . So according to the Conspiracy theorists he fitted a "motor" , made an agreement with Ale-jet to win but Ventoso obviously was not in on this since he came in second .
Lance once again is the "hero" of the hour since he has been added to a list that leaks like a collander and somewhere recently the clinic was comparing results at certain ages which without a shred of evidence proved he was "doping" because he won a few day events when younger than the others that you people have been tossing mud at !

Fact is there are people using this forum who raced and were such abismal failures they resorted to practices that they are ashamed of and thus try to tar ALL those who Planned and Prepared and accomplished their objective .

Looking at some of the posting numbers it is obvious that being resident on the computer in the clinic is their only claim to fame .

Lance no doubt will see what he can do about being on the "list" but building the "Livestrong Foundation" which is another achievement that people can be jealous of will remain the priority .

Those following my blogs will see I AM NOT a "fanboy" but will be happy to see justice done !

I just helped you out there - you're welcome.

 

[Digger]

Watched Cav change his wheel at 50km to finish, then saw him alongside Petacci . So according to the Conspiracy theorists he fitted a "motor" , made an agreement with Ale-jet to win but Ventoso obviously was not in on this since he came in second .
Lance once again is the "hero" of the hour since he has been added to a list that leaks like a collander and somewhere recently the clinic was comparing results at certain ages which without a shred of evidence proved he was "doping" because he won a few day events when younger than the others that you people have been tossing mud at !

Fact is there are people using this forum who raced and were such abismal failures they resorted to practices that they are ashamed of and thus try to tar ALL those who Planned and Prepared and accomplished their objective .
Looking at some of the posting numbers it is obvious that being resident on the computer in the clinic is their only claim to fame .

Lance no doubt will see what he can do about being on the "list" but building the "Livestrong Foundation" which is another achievement that people can be jealous of will remain the priority .

Those following my blogs will see I AM NOT a "fanboy" but will be happy to see justice done !

I was getting bored of the clinic due to Polish, Flicker and Mark....but you've just sucked me back in thank you.

Fact is that these people we say are cheats, are in fact cheats. Fact is we are pointing out the truth. If you want to blog about your worship of false gods, blog away....but it's a fairytale land and it's very easy to tell yourself how we are all failures. The fact that you are wong of course is besides the point. Lance's day will come, and no amount of insulting us will change that fact.

 

[Andynonomous]

Seen this before.

Over at the tennis forums, if you accuse a player of being a doper, you will get some fanboys accuse you of being a jealous fan of a different player who isn't performing as well.

You see these types of lame arguments these types make all the time.

- You are a fan of someone else, and are just bitter of my guys success.

- You are a failed participant, who is jealous of my guy's success.

- You are stupid, and I will ridicule you to make you look stupid, and me look smart, so your opinion means nothing.

- You are a paranoid conspiracy theorist, so we can discount your opinion.

- Your accuse my guy of taking PEDs, what's next, are you accusing him of crimes against humanity.


These excuses (which are usually untrue), are simply designed by the delusional fanboy, so that they can calm their mind that they have made the right choices, EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE THEIR OWN SUSPICIONS THAT THEY ARE WRONG. They can't win the "argument" on merit, so they resort to these types of tactics to cut off debate.

 

[fabramowski]

i love how this comes from a website like this:

http://www.onlinedegreeshub.com

classy.....

 

[Dallas_]

tainted

"10 Historic Sports Accomplishments That Are Forever Tainted"

http://www.onlinedegreeshub.com/blo...orts-accomplishments-that-are-forever-tainted

He sits at number 6. If you move him up five spots on the list.

Now I can see the Legacy.
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