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Makes me sick, just more people to boycott, not that they would notice. There are enough charities without LIVESTRONG, I just wish people would wakeup and stop supporting these people. Here in canada (may be else where too) we have a campaign of pink shirts to stop bullying in school, think I am gonna send once to Lance. This whole thing just turns my stomach...
 

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Benotti69 said:
Armstrong fits the hollywood world perfectly, loads of drugs, lies, bullying, backstabbing, lawyers, cheating, womanising etc etc
It's not so much that the Lance Armstrong story was too good to be true.
Now it might just be too good to let go ... CNF numbers are up too.

Even if it all really is the impossible fairy tale it sounds like -- one built on a brittle mountain of drugs, deception and arm-twisting -- it's the narrative the world has happily listened to for nearly 15 years.

Yet while other sports stars who have faced drug-induced downfalls -- Marion Jones, Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens -- fade from memory or become objects of scorn. None of them overcame what Armstrong did, but Armstrong keeps rolling along as if nothing happenend.

That point was driven home in a blog written in August, after Armstrong gave up fighting the sanctions, by Dr. Leonard Lichtenfeld, the deputy chief medical officer for the American Cancer Society. Lichtenfeld watched Armstrong give a passionate presentation to the Texas state Legislature years ago in support of a multibillion-dollar funding bill for cancer research. The legislation passed, with no small credit to Armstrong, Lichtenfeld said.

"I will tell you hands down I have never witnessed anything so powerful as I witnessed that night," Lichtenfeld wrote. "He created a mission that will live long past him, and will survive whatever people choose to make of the events surrounding him. He has taken the message of survivorship to the world with a power that no one else possesses."

Jay Kornegay, race and sports book director at The LVH casino, has watched his industry profit when emotion, at times, trumps logic in decisions made through the prism of sports. He sees how that could happen with Armstrong, even as his story plays to an increasingly savvy and more cynical public.

He guesses the resilience of Armstrong and his brand is as much a sign of steroid fatigue as anything else.

"I think this is just a simple case of people saying, 'We've heard the story before. Everybody does it,'" Kornegay said. "He's a great humanitarian who helps so many others, and he continues to do so. So, they say, 'Hey, we're going to give him a mulligan on this one.'"

You can see it in social media. Sure, negative comments dot the landscape for now - But the tributes also keep coming and on the rise: a few dozen new posts on a Facebook page titled "Lance Armstrong Supporters," either vilify USADA or tell Armstrong they've got his back.

"My opinion of him as a man has not changed. His pro career is past and that's where it stays for me," said De Respino, who lives in the New York City area and gives regularly to Livestrong. "He's a cancer survivor and his entire story revolves forward from that. If you want to take one piece of his life and make that the only story, that's your choice. But I think that's one reason he chose not to fight anymore. He's got bigger fish to fry.
 
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snackattack said:
It's not so much that the Lance Armstrong story was too good to be true.
Now it might just be too good to let go ... CNF numbers are up too.

Even if it all really is the impossible fairy tale it sounds like -- one built on a brittle mountain of drugs, deception and arm-twisting


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He's got bigger fish to fry.
He will be the fish frying it what was meant, SCA and Sunday Times just 2. Wonder will they wait till after he does time for perjury or get in before?
 
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Is the Flinders LIVESTRONG Cancer Research Centre an accomplice to Lance Armstrong’s fantasy? (Bob Gosford)

Has Adelaide’s Flinders University and its Flinders Centre for Innovation in Cancer — incorporating the LIVESTRONG Cancer Research Centre — been caught up in the murky web of relationships around Lance Armstrong and his related companies the Lance Armstrong Foundation, Livestrong.org and Livestrong.com?
 
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pelodee said:
Is the Flinders LIVESTRONG Cancer Research Centre an accomplice to Lance Armstrong’s fantasy? (Bob Gosford)
Well done Bob Gosford. And thanks Pelodee for the article. We need more disclosure on Livestrong and people calling this charade.
 
pelodee said:
Is the Flinders LIVESTRONG Cancer Research Centre an accomplice to Lance Armstrong’s fantasy? (Bob Gosford)
A number of simple, straight forward questions that apparently will have embarassing answers - if indeed they are ever answered.

Oh what a tangled web we weave.

When fundraising becomes dependant on marketing, this kind of profiteering becomes possible. Greed and self interest take over from more legitimate objectives.
 

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frenchfry said:
When fundraising becomes dependant on marketing, this kind of profiteering becomes possible.
"Donations to Lance's Livestrong Foundation are spiking up. Way up..."

Some comments from the balcony:

Makes sense. When something you care about comes under attack, you're more likely to defend it. Saw the same thing with a certain chicken restaurant.

People are in denial, they don't like the crack down, so they throw money at his foundation. It's for a good cause, so let them be blind to the truth.
Also, like Bonds, he has an immense ego and is not a good guy to the people around him. But I will give him props for doing much good with Livestrong no matter what his motives. Not sure Bonds has even done a thing for anyone but himself.
I'm not torn....I'm simply indifferent. I don't see a big deal about donations to his Livestrong Foundation being up. Good. Say what you will about him doping, that Foundation has still done a lot of good and I hope it continues. Now...with regards to doping. Meh. I think it's pretty clear everyone in cyclying was roided, so in my mind it was a level playing field....so he was still the best out there.
I've been making a small donation to Livestrong via payroll deduction for many years (along with other charities), and I've been considering whether to continue this or not with the recent news. I guess for me it comes down to whether Lance is still my lock for the HOF. Of course, I will continue!
 
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snackattack said:
It's not so much that the Lance Armstrong story was too good to be true.
Now it might just be too good to let go ... CNF numbers are up too.

Even if it all really is the impossible fairy tale it sounds like -- one built on a brittle mountain of drugs, deception and arm-twisting -- it's the narrative the world has happily listened to for nearly 15 years.

Yet while other sports stars who have faced drug-induced downfalls -- Marion Jones, Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens -- fade from memory or become objects of scorn. None of them overcame what Armstrong did, but Armstrong keeps rolling along as if nothing happenend.

That point was driven home in a blog written in August, after Armstrong gave up fighting the sanctions, by Dr. Leonard Lichtenfeld, the deputy chief medical officer for the American Cancer Society. Lichtenfeld watched Armstrong give a passionate presentation to the Texas state Legislature years ago in support of a multibillion-dollar funding bill for cancer research. The legislation passed, with no small credit to Armstrong, Lichtenfeld said.

"I will tell you hands down I have never witnessed anything so powerful as I witnessed that night," Lichtenfeld wrote. "He created a mission that will live long past him, and will survive whatever people choose to make of the events surrounding him. He has taken the message of survivorship to the world with a power that no one else possesses."

Jay Kornegay, race and sports book director at The LVH casino, has watched his industry profit when emotion, at times, trumps logic in decisions made through the prism of sports. He sees how that could happen with Armstrong, even as his story plays to an increasingly savvy and more cynical public.

He guesses the resilience of Armstrong and his brand is as much a sign of steroid fatigue as anything else.

"I think this is just a simple case of people saying, 'We've heard the story before. Everybody does it,'" Kornegay said. "He's a great humanitarian who helps so many others, and he continues to do so. So, they say, 'Hey, we're going to give him a mulligan on this one.'"

You can see it in social media. Sure, negative comments dot the landscape for now - But the tributes also keep coming and on the rise: a few dozen new posts on a Facebook page titled "Lance Armstrong Supporters," either vilify USADA or tell Armstrong they've got his back.

"My opinion of him as a man has not changed. His pro career is past and that's where it stays for me," said De Respino, who lives in the New York City area and gives regularly to Livestrong. "He's a cancer survivor and his entire story revolves forward from that. If you want to take one piece of his life and make that the only story, that's your choice. But I think that's one reason he chose not to fight anymore. He's got bigger fish to fry.
Now don´t get me wrong, it´s just a metaphor:
More and more it seems to me Lance Pharmstrong is the Adolf Hitler of sports.
Blind faith by the fanatics for an obvious psychopath. All the evil things are known, but the followers march behind him until the bitter end, even sacrificing theirselves (hard earned money in this case).
As Einstein said: Two things are endless, the universe and the stupidity of mankind. On the universe i am not so sure though.
 
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snackattack said:
"Donations to Lance's Livestrong Foundation are spiking up. Way up..."

Some comments from the balcony:
Got an independent link?

Or is this more PR spin that cant be proved?

Amazing how the fanboys are down their last hope, the cancer awareness foundation! Guess what, it is a fraud as you will no doubt find out in the future.

By then no doubt another sociopathic fraud will have grabbed your attention with another myth to get your $$$$s.
 
Benotti69 said:
Got an independent link?

Or is this more PR spin that cant be proved?

Amazing how the fanboys are down their last hope, the cancer awareness foundation! Guess what, it is a fraud as you will no doubt find out in the future.

By then no doubt another sociopathic fraud will have grabbed your attention with another myth to get your $$$$s.
The saddest and most sickening part of all of this is the touting of “money raised” as a talking point.

It defies belief that the amount of people known and unknown to ourselves whom have made a personal investment of faith into Armstrong. Think of the amount of people he’s looked in the eye and told them he’s clean.

Who knows if those quotes are real or not. Attempting to attribute monetary value to “truth” or "good" is a very poor correlation. I doubt donations have gone up but in some way if it was orchestrated it wouldn’t surprise me.

The fall-out from this entire saga will only become evident to Livestrong long-term.

The great heist in all of this is not stealing the 7 Tours. That means little. It’s the stealing of people faith in their moments of need. That is despicable. Pretending to win a bike race is one thing but forcing your story into the lives of ordinary people when they’re most vulnerable is disgusting beyond words. They all have a memory of their loved ones final few days/weeks/months and he’s in it. You can’t be change that.

The guy is a fraud beyond words. At least Madoff had the decency not to link himself to his contributions he made to the leukemia foundation.
 

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It defies belief that the amount of people known and unknown to ourselves whom have made a personal investment of faith into Armstrong.


Samuel Douglas, the boy this iconic Lawstrong photo todate, tells masses to hang on to the image.
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FoxxyBrown1111 said:
Now don´t get me wrong, More and more it seems to me Lance Pharmstrong is the Adolf Hitler of sports.
almost there

 
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Is there a Plan B?

Tinman said:
Will this be Lance's get out of jail card once the "old news" doping story subsides?

Sean Penn, Ben Stiller, Robin Williams and Donald Trump all lining up to support the Cancer Jesus.

"On Saturday, more than 100,000 American Football fans, and millions of TV viewers on ABC, will laud the cyclist, and his eponymous foundation, at the start of the second quarter of the College game between Baylor and the University of Texas. The entire student section, which seats 17,000, will simultaneously don specially designed Nike shirts, promoting Armstrong's Livestrong brand."

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/others/cycling-america-refuses-to-accept-a-heros-downfall-8210381.html

There needs to be more exposure on the history of Livestrong, the early cancer research story, the finances & expenses of this "non-profit", the PR apparatus behind it (Demand Media, etc) and an insight into its real contributions to cancer. So that people really understand what they are buying.
:cool: I wonder what's happening with this idea now that Nike has dropped Lance for doping and that he's stepped down as Chairman of his Livestrong cancer charity?

Nike Statement on Lance Armstrong
"Due to the seemingly insurmountable evidence that Lance Armstrong participated in doping and misled Nike for more than a decade, it is with great sadness that we have terminated our contract with him. Nike does not condone the use of illegal performance enhancing drugs in any manner.

Nike plans to continue support of the Livestrong initiatives created to unite, inspire and empower people affected by cancer."

Lance Armstrong stepping down as chairman of his Livestrong cancer charity
"Lance Armstrong said Wednesday he is stepping down as chairman of his Livestrong cancer-fighting charity so the group can focus on its mission instead of its founder's problems."[/QUOTE]
 
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ValleyFlowers said:
:cool: I wonder what's happening with this idea now that Nike has dropped Lance for doping and that he's stepped down as Chairman of his Livestrong cancer charity?
Lance will be received as the crucified messiah tomorrow. And Livestrong will rule... And Nike will be seen to be the new cancer saviour. From Messiah as the son in the flesh, to the spirit of the wholy ghost. But the same trinity in the end.

But if neither Lance nor Nike had made the announcement today it would have been trouble.
 
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Images of drug cheat cyclist Lance Armstrong being torn down across Adelaide (Michael McGuire, October 18, 2012)

A CITY that once hailed Lance Armstrong yesterday airbrushed the disgraced cyclist from public view as the fallout grew from his long-term doping.

Yesterday, the Flinders Centre for Innovation in Cancer, which houses Livestrong, a cancer survivors' charity started by Armstrong, started removing images of the fallen cyclist from within its premises...
 
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pelodee said:
Images of drug cheat cyclist Lance Armstrong being torn down across Adelaide (Michael McGuire, October 18, 2012)
I walk sat the Nike shop at Rundle mall & cringed at it every time...it made my stomach turn

I also remember the Livestrong bandwagon coming to town but decided to donate to the cancer council of SA instead

He used the goodwill of some and the helplessness & suffering of cancer patients to fuel his lie - I bet he only saw/met the ones that can help his image
 
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FoxxyBrown1111 said:
Now don´t get me wrong, it´s just a metaphor:
More and more it seems to me Lance Pharmstrong is the Adolf Hitler of sports.
Blind faith by the fanatics for an obvious psychopath. All the evil things are known, but the followers march behind him until the bitter end, even sacrificing theirselves (hard earned money in this case).
As Einstein said: Two things are endless, the universe and the stupidity of mankind. On the universe i am not so sure though.
Oooooh, check out the big brain on foxy! :)

As it happens, I'm reading the second volume of Ian Kershaw's biography of Hitler and couldn't avoid drawing parallels.
 
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Tinman said:
Will this be Lance's get out of jail card once the "old news" doping story subsides?

Sean Penn, Ben Stiller, Robin Williams and Donald Trump all lining up to support the Cancer Jesus.

"On Saturday, more than 100,000 American Football fans, and millions of TV viewers on ABC, will laud the cyclist, and his eponymous foundation, at the start of the second quarter of the College game between Baylor and the University of Texas. The entire student section, which seats 17,000, will simultaneously don specially designed Nike shirts, promoting Armstrong's Livestrong brand."

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/others/cycling-america-refuses-to-accept-a-heros-downfall-8210381.html

There needs to be more exposure on the history of Livestrong, the early cancer research story, the finances & expenses of this "non-profit", the PR apparatus behind it (Demand Media, etc) and an insight into its real contributions to cancer. So that people really understand what they are buying.
did this happen?
 
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barn yard said:
did this happen?
The report on the game I read says nothing regarding Nike or Livestrong presence at the game. Maybe Nike decided to pull the T-shirt stunt, considering the risk for negative exposure to be too high.

Media coverage on the in-depths of Livestrong is certainly happening... And reporting all sorts of interesting findings...
 

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There´s yet so much more work to do.
The decommissioning of the UCI and LIVEWRONG, fund raising for the victims of the Armstrong regime, redress and public apologies for all who were bullied and been harassed by wonderboy, lawsuits, education and information to all LIVEWRONG supporters and most importantly the forced admission of Mr. Armstrong.
 
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