Lord Triesman, Fifa and the Spanish Allegations

[euanli]

Right now Lord Triesman has been speaking to a Parliamentary committee looking into the failed England 2018 World Cup bid. Now the major of his claims that have reported are about Fifa corruption as outlined in this BBC article:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/9481461.stm

However it appears that he also spoke about widespread doping in the sport and specifically about Spanish officials organising and covering it up. Interestingly I cannot find a single report of this on the internet. The only reason I know about is because the Channel 4 News led with it as one of its first stories.

Anyone have any further details?

 

[Lanark]

Could he be talking about the presumed Puerto cover up?

 

[The Hitch]

It would be beautiful to get some information of this.

What did Channel 4 news say btw?

 

[euanli]

Along the lines of Triesman was approach in 2006 by a Spanish investigative journalist asking questions about doping in football. That it was covered up by Spanish authorities and detailed raids by Spanish police accompanied by footage of blood bags. The report on the Channel 4 News site doesn't even mention the doping.

 

[euanli]

http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Main/Player.aspx?meetingId=8351

That is a recording of the committee meeting, Triesman starts around 11:53. Minutes/transcripts should be available somewhere

 

[spalco]

The Spanish aren't the only ones who are suspicious, others for example are the top Italian clubs, Russia at the Euro 2008 was very strange and some others; if you asked me, I would look into Chelsea, Man United and City too. And honestly, there's so much money in football, how could they not exploit that particular path too? Having a couple percent more stamina after 1 1/2 hours of intense competition is invaluable, especially with how close the top teams are in terms of skill and tactics these days.

 

[Benotti69]

The Spanish aren't the only ones who are suspicious, others for example are the top Italian clubs, Russia at the Euro 2008 was very strange and some others; if you asked me, I would look into Chelsea, Man United and City too. And honestly, there's so much money in football, how could they not exploit that particular path too? Having a couple percent more stamina after 1 1/2 hours of intense competition is invaluable, especially with how close the top teams are in terms of skill and tactics these days.

a major change that has been evident in football in the quickness that footballers can return from injury. Years ago a footballer might out for a season now some are back in a month from the same injury. but also footballers have become quite muscular in the upper bodies in recent times.

I have no doubt that they are using PEDs

 

[Libertine Seguros]

a major change that has been evident in football in the quickness that footballers can return from injury. Years ago a footballer might out for a season now some are back in a month from the same injury. but also footballers have become quite muscular in the upper bodies in recent times.

I have no doubt that they are using PEDs

In addition, the number dropping dead from circulation-related issues on the field has increased from (if I remember correctly, long time since I found this statistic) 4 in the 1980s, 8 in the 1990s to 22 in the 2000s.

 

[sniper]

a major change that has been evident in football in the quickness that footballers can return from injury. Years ago a footballer might out for a season now some are back in a month from the same injury. but also footballers have become quite muscular in the upper bodies in recent times.

I have no doubt that they are using PEDs

Another evidency is that Spanish football has done some serious catching up in the last couple of years. Players like Xavi and Iniesta were always good, but they have become different league in the recent 4 to 5 years.

 

[BigChain]

In addition, the number dropping dead from circulation-related issues on the field has increased from (if I remember correctly, long time since I found this statistic) 4 in the 1980s, 8 in the 1990s to 22 in the 2000s.

Yeah, I'm amazed how quickly they recover from being carried off on a stretcher. Miraculous. In Aussie Rules football if you're carried off on a stretcher you're unconscious, have a broken leg, wrecked knee etc. Those soccer players sure are tough.

 

[Straßenrennen]

Yeah, I'm amazed how quickly they recover from being carried off on a stretcher. Miraculous. In Aussie Rules football if you're carried off on a stretcher you're unconscious, have a broken leg, wrecked knee etc. Those soccer players sure are tough.

This really made me laugh.

 

[roundabout]

http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Main/Player.aspx?meetingId=8351

That is a recording of the committee meeting, Triesman starts around 11:53. Minutes/transcripts should be available somewhere

The mention of Spanish doping is at about 12:32 in the video and is quite brief.

 

[lanternrouge]

a major change that has been evident in football in the quickness that footballers can return from injury. Years ago a footballer might out for a season now some are back in a month from the same injury. but also footballers have become quite muscular in the upper bodies in recent times.

I have no doubt that they are using PEDs

Like Frank Lampard?

 

[sniper]

a major change that has been evident in football in the quickness that footballers can return from injury. Years ago a footballer might out for a season now some are back in a month from the same injury. but also footballers have become quite muscular in the upper bodies in recent times.

I have no doubt that they are using PEDs

I am not sure how you see the correlation between quick recovery and doping. I mean, if you have a torn muscle or a broken bone, and some medicine makes it heal quicker, that doesn't make the medicine a PED, does it?

 

[Benotti69]

I am not sure how you see the correlation between quick recovery and doping. I mean, if you have a torn muscle or a broken bone, and some medicine makes it heal quicker, that doesn't make the medicine a PED, does it?

depends on the medicine.

 

[will10]

a major change that has been evident in football in the quickness that footballers can return from injury. Years ago a footballer might out for a season now some are back in a month from the same injury. but also footballers have become quite muscular in the upper bodies in recent times.

I have no doubt that they are using PEDs

While I do agree that it's likely they're using PEDs, physio techniques are unbelievably good (and cool) now. When players say they've been told to rest for 3 weeks, rest is the last thing they're doing. Some very funky techniques are used now to speed up the recovery rate and get players back to full training ASAP.

PEDs will of course help this process obviously.

 

[just some guy]

It would be beautiful to get some information of this.

What did Channel 4 news say btw?

here some stuff from an Australian newspaperhttp://www.theage.com.au/sport/soccer/fifa-in-crisis-over-world-cup-bribes-for-votes-claims-20110511-1ehzn.html

if you watch the vid 1 min 20 you can see Lord Triesman

 

[sniper]

http://thelongballtactic.wordpress.com/2011/05/10/lord-triesmans-other-revelation/

Triesman: I’d been approached by a Spanish investigative journalist who wanted to put to me a number of things which he wanted to know I’d either heard about or believed might be happening here. He was writing what I assumed would be a pretty substantive story which covered manipulation of referees and also covered questions of avoiding the doping regulations in Spanish sport. As I understood it he had access to the tape of a discussion which a Spanish investigating magistrate had managed to get hold of in which some of these things appear to have been discussed between fairly senior people in Spain. I didn’t put it in my list because even a good and serious journalist coming along with a story of that kind might very well not be accurate, might be a rumour. I wasn’t really prepared and I said it was among the more fanciful things I’d heard.

 

[The Hitch]

The Spanish aren't the only ones who are suspicious, others for example are the top Italian clubs, Russia at the Euro 2008 was very strange and some others; if you asked me, I would look into Chelsea, Man United and City too. And honestly, there's so much money in football, how could they not exploit that particular path too? Having a couple percent more stamina after 1 1/2 hours of intense competition is invaluable, especially with how close the top teams are in terms of skill and tactics these days.

And of course Lionel Messi has basically admitted, or his team have anyway that he was on hgh.

His manager Pep Guardiola tested positive for nandrolone. Toure tested positive for something as well.

You can pretty much do it in the open. Fifa ok'd messis doping and he was small so its ok. Guardiola was cleared. Even though both a and b samples were positive and there were a lot of other positives for the same substance, footballers would never dope cos they are good people like. Toure, he had a excuse about taking wifes medicine created for him by respected football celebrities before he could even make up the excuse himself.

Oh and all these people played for one team.
The same team which is allegedly in Op Puerto and of whom a detailed doping schedule was published in one of the worlds most respected papers.


But as i was aggresively told when i suggested Barca dope." Maybe they are just good. Did you think of that"

I am not sure how you see the correlation between quick recovery and doping. I mean, if you have a torn muscle or a broken bone, and some medicine makes it heal quicker, that doesn't make the medicine a PED, does it?

Well injury recovery was the main use of doping in baseball. WWE too.

Yeah, I'm amazed how quickly they recover from being carried off on a stretcher. Miraculous. In Aussie Rules football if you're carried off on a stretcher you're unconscious, have a broken leg, wrecked knee etc. Those soccer players sure are tough.

Yeah. Look at Dani Alves. He got taken off on a stretcher then came back on 2 minutes later.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

I am not sure how you see the correlation between quick recovery and doping. I mean, if you have a torn muscle or a broken bone, and some medicine makes it heal quicker, that doesn't make the medicine a PED, does it?

A lot of players have famously played on through injury thanks to the benefit of cortisone injections. These were mentioned before and during the matches and public knowledge.

That'd get you a 2 year ban in athletics, nordics or cycling.

 

[spalco]

But as i was aggresively told when i suggested Barca dope." Maybe they are just good. Did you think of that"

Yeah, I have little doubt Barcelona is on an excellent "program", and if they are you can be sure all the others are too. I would be very tempted to take something myself if I was a pro football player, the risk-benefit discrepancy between being good or very good is so huge - literally millions of dollars per year with virtually no risk of getting caught if you do it right. And if you get caught the sanctions are meaningless, football fans don't give a **** about doping. In fact I'm almost certain if you made a study asking football fans "would you be ok with your team doping if it meant they win a few % more often?" the answers would be overwhelmingly in the affirmative.

 

[pmcg76]

Football fans done care about anything as long as their team is winning. To football fans, the game is about who has the best team/manager etc. They dont seem to recognise how a club aquires these players/managers which 99% of the time is down to nothing more than money. They fail to see that the game is not about players but money and that competitions like the Champions league have distorted the game even further putting control in the hands of a small number of teams.