Luis Leon Sanchez - what on Earth has happened???

[laziali]

This has been mentioned in passing in the "most disappointing" thread but I think it deserves its own given LLS was no 4 in the world last year and now has zero points.

Just what has happened to Lulu??? Change of team seems part of the problem, but a Spaniard on Rabo should not be a major factor in itself given Freire's history. And before this goes all "clinic", a shift from Caisse to Rabo (of Rasmussen infamy) shouldn't be a major factor either.

Or is he just hiding his form before a break-out TDF performance?

Do any of you Spanish forumites know?

 

[Andrichuk]

He went clean.

 

[Bye Bye Bicycle]

And before this goes all "clinic", a shift from Caisse to Rabo (of Rasmussen infamy) shouldn't be a major factor either.

Discussing such a topic without going "clinic" seems to be quite impossible.

And it's not the shift of team that's important, it's the shift of the doctor. Maybe Operacíon Galego got a bit too hot for LLS?

 

[Lanark]

Well, a big difference with the other Spaniards at Rabobank is that they (Freire, Barredo, Garate, Flecha) all came from non-Spanish teams. A move from Quick-Step to Rabobank isn't big, but Sanchez has been riding for a Spanish team all his live.

But I'm afraid there are some clinic reasons responsible for his drop in performance as well.

 

[theyoungest]

Maybe he sucks, and just recently found out.

 

[boomcie]

Maybe he sucks, and just recently found out.

Youngest not being constructive at all and trying to troll some people into copy-pasting LL Sanchez' palmares in this thread.

I like it.

 

[El Pistolero]

Youngest not being constructive at all and trying to troll some people into copy-pasting LL Sanchez' palmares in this thread.

I like it.

Trolls would copy Gesink's palmares and compare it to LLS

 

[boomcie]

Trolls would copy Gesink's palmares and compare it to LLS

Or mention it

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

overrated rider that I expected to suck at rabo, because many (hispanic) riders don't improve at rabo to say the least, look at ardila and garate, also barredo isn't much this year

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Discussing such a topic without going "clinic" seems to be quite impossible.

And it's not the shift of team that's important, it's the shift of the doctor. Maybe Operacíon Galego got a bit too hot for LLS?

could posts like these pls be removed. it's so full of sh*t it's not worth going in to but should be discussed in clinic, among all the other idiots there

 

[theyoungest]

overrated rider that I expected to suck at rabo, because many (hispanic) riders don't improve at rabo to say the least, look at ardila and garate, also barredo isn't much this year

Garate and Ardila? The guys they signed to be domestiques, you mean?

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Garate and Ardila? The guys they signed to be domestiques, you mean?

the guy's that did top 5's and 10s in gt's before they went to rabo

rabo is legendary for attratcing riders that underperform as soon as they go, niki abersold, peter luttenberger, geert verheyen, beat zberg, levi leipheimer, nick nuyens, robert hunter, robbie mcewen, man there's no end to it

 

[theyoungest]

the guy's that did top 5's and 10s in gt's before they went to rabo

rabo is legendary for attratcing riders that underperform as soon as they go, niki abersold, peter luttenberger, geert verheyen, beat zberg, levi leipheimer, nick nuyens, robert hunter, robbie mcewen, man there's no end to it

Yes, you've only said this a thousand times before, I get it. Especially relevant are the examples of ten years ago.

But Garate and Ardila weren't signed to be team leaders, Ardila in particular has been Menchov's personal domestique for a few years now.

 

[brianf7]

Gone clean and cant cope without the stuff.
he went off at the worlds and hasnt shown much since.

Maybe he will come good. they all have a bad season evrey now and again

 

[El Pistolero]

Or mention it

Yeah, less work

 

[Lanark]

the guy's that did top 5's and 10s in gt's before they went to rabo

rabo is legendary for attratcing riders that underperform as soon as they go, niki abersold, peter luttenberger, geert verheyen, beat zberg, levi leipheimer, nick nuyens, robert hunter, robbie mcewen, man there's no end to it

Lol, Garate is 35, that guy hasn't done top-10 in a GC since 2006. Ardila has done one top-10 in his entire life, and hasn't been able to show that form ever again before or after that (his Giro last year was probably his second best GT is his live, at Rabobank btw). The rest, I don't even know what you're on about, McEwen underperformed when he got at Rabobank? WTF, he became a pro at Rabobank.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Yes, you've only said this a thousand times before, I get it. Especially relevant are the examples of ten years ago.

But Garate and Ardila weren't signed to be team leaders, Ardila in particular has been Menchov's personal domestique for a few years now.

ardila was paid 400.000 euros a year by rabo not to be a domestique but to be a leader for them at the giro, this is a fact. ardila sucked as soon as he went to rabo, just as many others did, only after that he was made domestique, man they even paid of lotto for this

 

[hrotha]

the guy's that did top 5's and 10s in gt's before they went to rabo

rabo is legendary for attratcing riders that underperform as soon as they go, niki abersold, peter luttenberger, geert verheyen, beat zberg, levi leipheimer, nick nuyens, robert hunter, robbie mcewen, man there's no end to it

Top 5's and top 10s in the same GT and the same years you're always mocking as having a very weak field (to explain Cunego)?

Gárate has done about as well as could be expected. He won that Tour stage, remember. Also, lol at McEwen being mentioned, considering he only made a name for himself at Rabobank.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

ardila did top ten in 2005 vuelta and was about doing top ten giro 2005 until his father got murdered. the weak fields were 2004 and before, especially for giro. garate also was 7th in giro 2006, which was also pro tour. man just look back the videos on youtube for these races to see the paifnul differences

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Ryo Hazuki is an avid Rabobank hater and has a slightly colored view.

LL Sanchez fail is because he is mentally very up and down, even at Caisse they already knew about that problem but it seems to get worse at Rabobank. Different enviroment, most speak English and LL Sanchez' English is still horrible so he can't really communicate except with the spanish riders and Gesink (who learned spanish).

 

[roundabout]

So Rabo signed a mentally 'weak' rider who was going to be poor at communicating.

Wonder how much they paid him?

 

[Kwibus]

Ryo has a point though. In all the years that I've followed cycling on the side there were quite a few riders that performed clearly worse at Rabo than at the team they came from or the team they went too.

Proof that Rabo is a clean team ofcourse ;P

 

[hrotha]

So Rabo signed a mentally 'weak' rider who was going to be poor at communicating.

Wonder how much they paid him?

They probably thought having Barredo, Freire and Gárate already in the team would be enough. It was reasonable to think so. You'd have to be quite a baby to be so unable to fit in your performance suffers so much.

I think it's mostly about the greyhound, though.

 

[Frosty]

Disappointing performance in the early season, some of the later results could indicate he is aiming for a big result at the tour. Guess we'll see what happens in July.

 

[El Pistolero]

Luis Leon Sanchez is doing so bad at Rabo because he was on a Spanish team before. Spanish teams are known for doping and they all do it. He went to a Dutch team this year and we all know Dutch teams are clean because they're so ethical and tolerant in the Netherlands. They're a country with high ethical values and the whole world should follow their example. And I said all of this without giggling once.