Sorry mate. No excuses for cheaters. I will never accept any such excuse. Cheating is the root of much evil and problem on this planet. Most major problems could be solved if we all treat others like we like to be treated, so we should not cheat.mad black said:...with or without doping there'd be the same people winning. This is exactly what my opinon is as well.
I agree that all clean or all doped, result lists, would look similar, but this means that the best "natural" rider will never win if he's clean. What you say consequently also implies that if you wanna have a chance to win, you have to cheat. And that's exactly the disgusting part about it.
And another major factor that is forgotten is that if certain guys have advance knowledge of tests or get favourably treated by the UCI (LIEstrong for example), this creating an additional massive edge versus the other cheaters. So clean or doped field winning lists might not exactly look the same nevertheless...
Different topic: Regarding suspicous blood values during the 2005 Tour de France, Levi Leipheimer comes to my mind again as well: