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McQuaid: AFLD claims "Pure BS". End of the Honeymoon

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Does Boudrey's comments mark an alliance with the forces fighting Lance Armstrong/UCI or is this a last ditch effort for AFLD budget and authority. It's a thick plot with alot of thick players. What's up? Who will win?
 
May 31, 2010
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mcquaid should resign, if a government minister had acted like him they would be gone.

and where is all the paper trail relating to the machine and the cash left over?
 
May 13, 2009
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It's probably a bit of both. Bordry is fighting for his job I think. Budget cuts and negative press about his clash with the UCI last year. Then the story about Astana's syringes. Nothing ever materialized. Same with the re-testing. Nothing came out of that. We laugh about Fat Pat McQuack, but this guy isn't a PR genius either.
 
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Cobblestones said:
It's probably a bit of both. Bordry is fighting for his job I think. Budget cuts and negative press about his clash with the UCI last year. Then the story about Astana's syringes. Nothing ever materialized. Same with the re-testing. Nothing came out of that. We laugh about Fat Pat McQuack, but this guy isn't a PR genius either.

IIRC that is a French criminal investigation that is still going on, nothing to do with Bordry.
 
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IIRC that is a French criminal investigation that is still going on, nothing to do with Bordry.

Bordry was quite vocal to the media about the syringes during his post TDF escapade - involved in that sense. If AFLD had the juristiction to investigate such a find I am sure they would.
 
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Bordry was quite vocal to the media about the syringes during his post TDF escapade - involved in that sense. If AFLD had the juristiction to investigate such a find I am sure they would.

Precisely. Why did he open his mouth when he wasn't involved at that point. Why stick his head out? As I said, not a PR genius.
 
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Oldman said:
Does Boudrey's comments mark an alliance with the forces fighting Lance Armstrong/UCI or is this a last ditch effort for AFLD budget and authority.
neither. it's a power/personality conflict not dissimilar to pound/verbruggen personal animosity. you change the players and the mother organizations will get along just fine. don't look beyond the changes since paddy macky and johnny fahey took the lead. the uci and wada are fine now.
It's a thick plot with alot of thick players. What's up? Who will win?
again, see above no plot involved whatsoever. just plain old defending the turf by pissing on a tree delineating 'my territory'. if the winner is defined as the afld will get the additional 5% (or so) test as they insist, then they will win. but again, it'll be a pyrrhic victory because 5% increase in testing makes no difference in the real world but all the difference in bordry's brain.

the victory for the sport would be to strip the uci of any testing.
 
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enrecul said:
u reckon LA and AC were on separate juice programmes in astana? i wonder how that one worked???

Seems too risky to operate in an organized group like the good ole days. I am guessing it has been more of an individual effort with a small circle of trusted support.
 
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neither. it's a power/personality conflict not dissimilar to pound/verbruggen personal animosity. you change the players and the mother organizations will get along just fine. don't look beyond the changes since paddy macky and johnny fahey took the lead. the uci and wada are fine now.
again, see above no plot involved whatsoever. just plain old defending the turf by pissinging on a tree delineating 'my territory'. if the winner is defined as the afld will get to the additional 5% (or so) test as they insist, then they will will win. but again, it'll be a pyrrhic victory because 5% increase in testing makes no difference in the ral world but all the difference in bordry's brain.

the victory for the sport would be to strip the uci of any testing.

Can you explain?
 
Feb 21, 2010
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Wow, I take most of the day to do some work and old Patty comes out with more rubbish mouth.

Really spewing this time, telling Bordry to "Shut up..." and "Landis is just bitter".

If there was ever a more incapable individual, so contrasting the IOC ethos, it is Mr. Patty.

If he is confirmed to the IOC I would be very surprised.

I especially enjoyed the offers of examining the receipt for the sysmex, the empty offer to work with US investigators, and the notion that there is no need for an independent investigation (I am guessing he meant the US Federal probe) as it is already being investigated (I am guessing he means with the ADA's of the respective countries for the alleged).

LMFAO. What a terrible set of statements. Floundering and blundering would be too much of an understatement.

What a fool.
 
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python said:
strip=take away
the uci=international cycling union
any=any
testing=testing

any more questions ?

Yes. I figured you would answer that way once I hit submit. Do you have rationale why UCI should be stripped of testing?
 
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Pat the Rat is acting more and more guilty every day. He's a mad mad man. He looks desperate, his comments are desperate, his situation is desperate. UCI is a laughing stock.
 
I found this very interesting:

"Bordry needs to learn the rules of anti-doping and follow them," he said. "The AFLD has tested riders four times this year when they were not required to do so. The last was just last Friday. They went to test riders from RadioShack who were riding the Dauphine Libere but when they presented a list to the directeur sportif Alain Gallopin, it included the name of a mechanic and a soigneur. How bad is that?"

- Wasn't there a story once of USPS subbing the p1ss of the team staff for riders... ie the "too clean" claim?

If so this is a masterstroke by the AFLD. Test the urine of the support staff to ensure the riders are not subbing samples.
 
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I found this very interesting:

"Bordry needs to learn the rules of anti-doping and follow them," he said. "The AFLD has tested riders four times this year when they were not required to do so. The last was just last Friday. They went to test riders from RadioShack who were riding the Dauphine Libere but when they presented a list to the directeur sportif Alain Gallopin, it included the name of a mechanic and a soigneur. How bad is that?"

- Wasn't there a story once of USPS subbing the p1ss of the team staff for riders... ie the "too clean" claim?

If so this is a masterstroke by the AFLD. Test the urine of the support staff to ensure the riders are not subbing samples.

It would be interesting if they had a way to make them submit a sample, perhaps the UCI licenses staff and mechanics.

As it is, I don't think they can demand a urine sample from non-UCI elite racers.

I do recall the "too clean" story, though I thought it was from the Giro during the Discovery years, ie Savoldelli.
 
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thehog said:
I found this very interesting:

"Bordry needs to learn the rules of anti-doping and follow them," he said. "The AFLD has tested riders four times this year when they were not required to do so. The last was just last Friday. They went to test riders from RadioShack who were riding the Dauphine Libere but when they presented a list to the directeur sportif Alain Gallopin, it included the name of a mechanic and a soigneur. How bad is that?"

- Wasn't there a story once of USPS subbing the p1ss of the team staff for riders... ie the "too clean" claim?

If so this is a masterstroke by the AFLD. Test the urine of the support staff to ensure the riders are not subbing samples.

Doubt it, they already have enough data (via blood) to determine the origin of the urine.
 
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Colm.Murphy said:
It would be interesting if they had a way to make them submit a sample, perhaps the UCI licenses staff and mechanics.

As it is, I don't think they can demand a urine sample from non-UCI elite racers.

I do recall the "too clean" story, though I thought it was from the Giro during the Discovery years, ie Savoldelli.

Test someone not a licensed racer? Come on. There are some laws protecting civil rights, aren't there? If that's what it takes to keep racers from doping then the cause is lost. If there is laxity and fraud it starts with the people that have the most to lose: promoters, governing bodies then the riders. The first two have no reason for existence or opportunity for profit without the circus monkeys.
 
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Oldman said:
Test someone not a licensed racer? Come on. There are some laws protecting civil rights, aren't there? If that's what it takes to keep racers from doping then the cause is lost. If there is laxity and fraud it starts with the people that have the most to lose: promoters, governing bodies then the riders. The first two have no reason for existence or opportunity for profit without the circus monkeys.

True. Apart from being impractical, I truly doubt that mechanics whizz is being catheterized back into racers. As a deterrent, it was mentioned that matching DNA of the blood to the urine is pretty simple, so any shenanigans could bee outed.

It would be interesting to see the reaction of those team staffers if it were announced that they, too, could be subjected to drug testing. As I said, it would be impractical and not to mention add undue expense, just that there would be an outcry of protest from the dozens and dozens of staff/mechanics who partake in, say, their own enhancements.