Michael Rogers positive for clenbuterol

[LugHugger]

This tweet is very interesting - a mainstream British sports broadcaster openly questioning Sky -

Richard Keys‏@richardajkeys9m
Tiernan-Locke. Now Michael Rogers. And the trail seems to lead in only one direction......!

Cos he doesn't have any axes to grind, does he? Just saying....

 

[SundayRider]

Cos he doesn't have any axes to grind, does he? Just saying....

I'd actually forgotten about that. He probably would have been sacked by any broadcasting company for those comments though. Still must be a fairly committed follower of cycling to come to that conclusion, lots of british cycling fans haven't even heard of Tiernan-Locke.

 

[MartinGT]

This certainly raises questions for Team Sky. I was looking at a picture recently of Froome and Porte from earlier this year, they both looked downright skeletal. I would speculate there is widespread use of some kind of power to weight ratio manipulation going on, whether it is Clenbuterol or another drug or technique.

I have a photo of the dawg at 2010 Giro warming up at the prologue. He looks practically obese compared to him now

 

[Eyeballs Out]

If there's a rash of positives I imagine he'll be cleared.

If that's the case might as well just un-ban Clen or else next year's Tour of Beijing will become a who's who of pro-cycling as the top riders look to take advantage of a get out of jail free card. In fact maybe that already happened

BTW does anyone know what happened with the Radioshack rider who tested +ve for Clen ? You know, the guy that was actually from China. I thought they were talking about a two year ban for him but I couldn't find any confirmation

 

[Avoriaz]

I'd actually forgotten about that. He probably would have been sacked by any broadcasting company for those comments though. Still must be a fairly committed follower of cycling to come to that conclusion, lots of british cycling fans haven't even heard of Tiernan-Locke.

Was the studio presenter of C4 Tour de France coverage about a hundred years ago

 

[del1962]

Was the studio presenter of C4 Tour de France coverage about a hundred years ago

Didn't he present on Kellogs tour of Britain aswell?

 

[SundayRider]

Was the studio presenter of C4 Tour de France coverage about a hundred years ago

I think he should be an honarary member of the clinic.

 

[GuyIncognito]

BTW does anyone know what happened with the Radioshack rider who tested +ve for Clen ? You know, the guy that was actually from China. I thought they were talking about a two year ban for him but I couldn't find any confirmation

Two year suspension. Returned in 2012. Rides for a chinese team since.

 

[frenchfry]

Has Mick "the stick" Rodgers commented yet?

I haven't seen anything yet, does this mean he might be thinking of coming clean?

 

[SundayRider]

Has Mick "the stick" Rodgers commented yet?

I haven't seen anything yet, does this mean he might be thinking of coming clean?

Said something along the lines of 'it must be food contamination blah blah' link on the news page.

 

[RownhamHill]

Holding competitions in countries where the food supply is contaminated then testing athletes for infinitesimal amounts of likely contaminates seems unreasonable to me.

WADA should have established a limit but did not for fear of tarnishing its catch of Contador.

Think this is the first time I've ever completely agreed with one of your posts BroDeal.

Will be interesting to see what the level was in Roger's case, but I think the whole strict liability/burden of proof is called into question by seeming 'food contamination' cases. Is it really reasonable to expect athletes at a one week race not to eat most food? Or to fly food half way around the world 'just in case'. And equally is it reasonable for an anti-doping sanction to be applied in cases where the anti-doping authority can't actually make a plausible case for the mechanics of how the rider could have doped to come up with the positive test?

As I say, it will be interesting to see what the level of Clen is in this case!

 

[Franklin]

Holding competitions in countries where the food supply is contaminated then testing athletes for infinitesimal amounts of likely contaminates seems unreasonable to me.

WADA should have established a limit but did not for fear of tarnishing its catch of Contador.

Yep, if they are going to let MR go it's quite something for AC.

I still believe they were punishing him not for Clen but because they knew he was gaming the system and they (CAS) wanted to show the athletes that enough is enough.

And even though I'm all for rooting out cheats... that simply does not fit with how justie should work. Morally it's wrong and besides, it's clearly becoming an embarasment (see Mexican Clen problem) as Clen contamination is actually a very real issue. They should have gone with the plasticizer evidence and wrote a lengthy report about that one. Or sit on the evidence and build a stronger case.

 

[Benotti69]

Cos he doesn't have any axes to grind, does he? Just saying....

Armstrong and his minions all said that about Landis, just saying.......

 

[gooner]

Armstrong and his minions all said that about Landis, just saying.......

In this case it's true with Keys. He's just out to get his name back in British publicity and can't accept Sky have moved on better without him and Gray.

It's hurt his ego.

 

[SundayRider]

In this case it's true with Keys. He's just out to get his name back in British publicity and can't accept Sky have moved on better without him and Gray.

It's hurt his ego.

Nonetheless, can't think of another journo/broadcaster (British) that has been implied possible doping at Sky.

 

[bewildered]

of course Keys has an axe to grind. Tweet means nothing but at least the question is being asked. Landis was an insider. I doubt if Sky are doped they have told Keys and Gray about it. Both left Sky before mid Feb 2011

 

[Red Rick]

I wonder what Contador thinks about this.

I also wonder wether it's Sky's or Contador's reputation that gets hurt by this

 

[SundayRider]

I wonder what Contador thinks about this.

I also wonder wether it's Sky's or Contador's reputation that gets hurt by this

Surely if the levels of clen are the same or more than AC's then they can't let him get off with it, as a precedent will have been set but then this is the UCI...

 

[Franklin]

Oh... and FU too Australian Cycling Union.

"CA were alerted of the positive test via the UCI media release this morning," said Anderson. "Whilst we respect Michael Rogers' right to defend himself, we will support the maximum sanctions under the WADA code if he is found guilty of doping."

Nice sabre-rattling, but is this neccesary? Why support a "maximum" sanction? What if the guilt can't be proven conclusively (count on this one!)? Nice support of one of your riders.....

I'm tired of officials pumping their chest and being "Hard on cheaters". All those years those unions did nothing (and yes, that goes for most national unions, not just the Australians).

How about saying you will await the findings of WADA and act repsonding the outcome with all respect for everyone involved?

UGH!

 

[Benotti69]

Mick Rogers races under a Swiss Licence.

 

[Benotti69]

In this case it's true with Keys. He's just out to get his name back in British publicity and can't accept Sky have moved on better without him and Gray.

It's hurt his ego.

Landis wasn't a jilted ex employee?

Dont care about Keys Ego, guy is an idiot, but him tweeting this is good. Sky are doping. So more spotlight on it the better.

 

[Ferminal]

nvm...........

 

[darwin553]

I'm devastated. I truly am devastated.

 

[darwin553]

Almost certainly he is a dirty rider, but Clenbuterol is a typical contamination positive. Chances it were his supplements (which is too bad for him as that still goes as a positive) or food are not unlikely. And no, I'm not naive, I simply know a bit about the(European) meat industry and Clen is not exactly unheard of. That said:

Karma is a *****.

Let the floodgates open on another victim of the clinic despite there being plausible explanations as to why he returned a positive

 

[Netserk]

How long a drug takes to clear depends on how much you ingest, and the detection limit. CB has a half-life in blood of about 36 hr. If you eat heavily contaminated meat, and have a very sensitive detection limit, it's possible to be positive well beyond 2-3 days.

Not that I know very much (if any) about how this works, but wouldn't it (the glow-time after he left China) also depend on how many days he ate meat in China? I'd guess that if it took 2-3 days after one meal (Assumption as I don't know which amounts the 2-3 days refer to), then it should take longer if he ate plenty for a whole week, right?