Libertine Seguros said:
I think the debate centred, at least from my perspective, not on whether or not the US was right to enter the war, or whether it was necessary for the US to enter the war, but whether the US had the right to propagate myths like that Britons and Europeans would all be speaking German had it not been for them, and that it was their contribution that was decisive.
Though there were some very silly suggestions bandied about by both sides of the debate in the midst of some sensible discussion.
As a Pole, this whole - Britain, France, US, Russia vs Germany and Japan outlook on war is extremely insulting.
We lost 20% of our population in that war. A large number of those knew they were going to their death. (you’ve all seen the picture of our men on horses charging at tanks). The men who survived for 3 weeks on 1 weeks worth of food and ammunition in the first battle of the war at Westerplate, against an army 10 times their size. Those who offered protection to Jewish friends, even though the punishment of protecting Jews, was in Poland death and torture of entire family. Those who fought under the red army, even after it was discovered that Stalin had massacred 22 thousands Polish officers for fun at Katyn, and blamed it on the Germans. Forced to acknowledge Stalin as an ally, even as he continued to have fun killing them and their country folk.
When Poland inevitably fell after being attacked in the back by Stalin, our soldiers marched thousands of miles to the Balkans, and got into boats which they then rowed to the UK to continue the fight against National Socialism. There is finally a huge Polish War memorial, about 10km from my house, where the heroes who made this trip and then fought in the skies, are commemorated. Without them Britain could not have been defended.
All this before the 1944 warsaw uprising the single act which most defines my country. Perhaps as much as any act can define any country. The amount of courage and honour displayed is surely up there in history of courage and honour. In the absence of soldiers, who were fighting and dying on all fronts, the Women, elderly and children - as young as 8, single handily took on the German Army and held them off for 63 days. No weapons, no tanks no soldiers. Just children running at tanks with hand made grenades, using the guns they captured to snipe at Germans. Stupid Hitler, should not have announced his plan to raise Warsaw to the ground and kill its inhabitants.
And all this just a fraction of what the people of Poland did in the war. Not to mention those who fought in the East (including the legendary Wojtek – a bear who the polish soldiers adopted who helped carry supplies), in Africa, in the West – at Arenhem, and in Italy, with the 3 attempts on Monte Casino.
And after they returned home, many of the heroes were put in prison or murdered by the soviets, fearful of Polish patriotism and never tired of humiliating the country.,
True men of honour, and women and children of honour too, and so i add to your list of military ww2 history books the book "Question of Honour - the forgotten heroes of World War II"
To be honest, the Us does deserve a lot of credit, though not as much as it gives itself, for its efforts in Europe. The Uk is a similar situation. Chamberlin did wage war on Germany with the promise of protecting Poland, but that protection never really came,. As mentioned before, Poles did play a big part in the battle of Britain. Yet both the UK and US would later sell out Poland at Yalta. It is insulting to see any country listed above ours in this particular war but is the idea of France and USSR as allies over Poland? )(spit out of disgust) France’s contribution to WW2 is minor compared to all other countries. It surrendered in a ridiculously short time, despite having far better resources. And the Red Army. Stalin. He murdered, his allies for fun. By all accounts loved Hitler to the extent of being depressed upon the launch of Operation Barbarossa. Attempted holocausts of his own. No credit should be given to him. He was forced to join the allies after his best friend betrayed him. He had no choice but to change sides. Stalin should not be seen as having been a vital ally, but as the pig which Orwell depicts him as, receiving help from those he has wronged. This parochial view of the war has lasted too long