Mo Thread

[Catwhoorg]

Wasn't there an increase in number of tests in 2011 was my thought ?

UKAD does their reporting by financial year, but 2009/2010 2010/2011 and 2011/2012 show about the same number of missions, so that's unlikely to be it.
(Post Olympics the total is actually down by about 1000/year).

Good to see the journalists actually starting to do some digging.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Re:

'Missed Tests doesn't mean doping' Maybe in Bassons case, but Mo.... Hmmm

Can someone also clarify this for me. In the past, Ukad said that 3 missed tests in 18 months resulted in a ban. Now however, its 3 missed tests in 12 months... Surely, this is more lenient?

Yes it is more lenient. However its the new WADA standard under the 2015 code.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Re:

'Missed Tests doesn't mean doping' Maybe in Bassons case, but Mo.... Hmmm

Can someone also clarify this for me. In the past, Ukad said that 3 missed tests in 18 months resulted in a ban. Now however, its 3 missed tests in 12 months... Surely, this is more lenient?

Yes, it is more lenient.

 

[SeriousSam]

Moh has hired a world leading PR and crisis management agency. Gotta protect reputation and sponsoring deails.

 

[The Hitch]

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If there's one thing the British press loves more than building up sporting stars, it's tearing them down again.

Not their own ones.

 

[The Hitch]

Funniest bit will be how if Mo wins a gold in Beijing in a few months, the press will give the narrative that he is putting the controversy behind him and by winning proving that he is talented clean. This is the kind of narrative we often hear.

*slight digression, where was Mo the last time the golds were being offered in Beijing. 25 y.o, should have been in the prime of his career no?

 

[bewildered]

ITV outed Savile. The BBC knew well what he was up to for years, abusing kids in their studios for decades, and said nothing. If the Brit Press loved to take down their own they'd have done a hell of a lot more of it in recent years. Look at Sky, Linford, Rusedski eg.

12 months is more lenient, unless they increase the frequency of tests by 50%, which they won't have the funding to do, so yes it will be more lenient. How did that change come about? Who lobbied for it and why?

 

[BYOP88]

Re:

Funniest bit will be how if Mo wins a gold in Beijing in a few months, the press will give the narrative that he is putting the controversy behind him and by winning proving that he is talented clean. This is the kind of narrative we often hear.

*slight digression, where was Mo the last time the golds were being offered in Beijing. 25 y.o, should have been in the prime of his career no?

He didn't start running until he was a bit older than most people, who start running at an early-ish age. Also there were no running tracks where he's from, so he couldn't show his talent to the world and when he moved to Europe he had to get used to Europe, Africa is like a different continent, and get used to running on a track, which are a little different to tracks in the wilds of Africa . So his prime will be a few years later than people who started running earlier in their life.

 

[Zebadeedee]

Mo digging himself deeper.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/jun/18/mo-farah-fresh-questions-missed-drug-tests

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/jun/18/mo-farah-protect-reputation-alberto-salazar

His thinking aligns perfectly with that of sports governing bodies. Received wisdom largely prevails that doping can be managed as a PR problem.

 

[neineinei]

Re:

Wasn't there an increase in number of tests in 2011 was my thought ?

UKAD does their reporting by financial year, but 2009/2010 2010/2011 and 2011/2012 show about the same number of missions, so that's unlikely to be it.
(Post Olympics the total is actually down by about 1000/year).

Good to see the journalists actually starting to do some digging.

There has been a big cut in the number of athletes in the national registered testing pool after 2012. From 361 in 2012 to 266 in 2014 (Numbers from the Telegraph article: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/athletics/11684134/Revealed-There-have-been-224-cases-of-British-athletes-missing-drugs-tests-in-last-five-years.html) What is going on there? If you're not in some ADO's or federations registered testing pool you're probably also not in the whereabouts system. When there is 100 less athletes to test there should be also be less out of competition testing, or are the remaining 266 getting more testing? Farah is of course in IAAF's registered testing pool.

WADA's rules for the whereabouts system hasn't been very strict in the past. It has been up to the national anti-doping organisation to decide for how many days of the week the athletes in their registered testing pool has to report their whereabouts, For instance did many of the top athletes in the Swedish Sports Confederations registered testing pool, at least up until the summer of 2013, only have to report their whereabouts for every third day (according to Mads Drange's book), and this was within WADA's rules for the whereabouts system.

 

[More Strides than Rides]

Re: Re:

Funniest bit will be how if Mo wins a gold in Beijing in a few months, the press will give the narrative that he is putting the controversy behind him and by winning proving that he is talented clean. This is the kind of narrative we often hear.

*slight digression, where was Mo the last time the golds were being offered in Beijing. 25 y.o, should have been in the prime of his career no?

He didn't start running until he was a bit older than most people, who start running at an early-ish age. Also there were no running tracks where he's from, so he couldn't show his talent to the world and when he moved to Europe he had to get used to Europe, Africa is like a different continent, and get used to running on a track, which are a little different to tracks in the wilds of Africa . So his prime will be a few years later than people who started running earlier in their life.

I can't tell if this is a sarcastic post, spinning a Froome-TTing-in-sandshoes style.

Farah was in England by the time he was 8. He racked up local, national and eEuropean titles as a junior. More, the absence of synthetics tracks is no hinderence. There are two all-weather tracks in Ethipioa, and one of them is owned and built by Bekele. Similar in Kenya. Most athletes complain about competing abroad, because they have no choice but to train on the harder surface of Euro and US synthetics tracks, instead of the dirt tracks and clay roads they're used to.

Hitch: in 2008 Farah was training with Mottram (...) in Australia. 6th in 2007 WCs, knocked out in the heats of the 08 OGs.

 

[BYOP88]

Re: Re:

Funniest bit will be how if Mo wins a gold in Beijing in a few months, the press will give the narrative that he is putting the controversy behind him and by winning proving that he is talented clean. This is the kind of narrative we often hear.

*slight digression, where was Mo the last time the golds were being offered in Beijing. 25 y.o, should have been in the prime of his career no?

He didn't start running until he was a bit older than most people, who start running at an early-ish age. Also there were no running tracks where he's from, so he couldn't show his talent to the world and when he moved to Europe he had to get used to Europe, Africa is like a different continent, and get used to running on a track, which are a little different to tracks in the wilds of Africa . So his prime will be a few years later than people who started running earlier in their life.

I can't tell if this is a sarcastic post, spinning a Froome-TTing-in-sandshoes style.

Farah was in England by the time he was 8. He racked up local, national and eEuropean titles as a junior. More, the absence of synthetics tracks is no hinderence. There are two all-weather tracks in Ethipioa, and one of them is owned and built by Bekele. Similar in Kenya. Most athletes complain about competing abroad, because they have no choice but to train on the harder surface of Euro and US synthetics tracks, instead of the dirt tracks and clay roads they're used to.

Hitch: in 2008 Farah was training with Mottram (...) in Australia. 6th in 2007 WCs, knocked out in the heats of the 08 OGs.

Yes, I was using the Froome/Sky apologist template.

 

[More Strides than Rides]

Re: Re:

Funniest bit will be how if Mo wins a gold in Beijing in a few months, the press will give the narrative that he is putting the controversy behind him and by winning proving that he is talented clean. This is the kind of narrative we often hear.

*slight digression, where was Mo the last time the golds were being offered in Beijing. 25 y.o, should have been in the prime of his career no?

He didn't start running until he was a bit older than most people, who start running at an early-ish age. Also there were no running tracks where he's from, so he couldn't show his talent to the world and when he moved to Europe he had to get used to Europe, Africa is like a different continent, and get used to running on a track, which are a little different to tracks in the wilds of Africa . So his prime will be a few years later than people who started running earlier in their life.

I can't tell if this is a sarcastic post, spinning a Froome-TTing-in-sandshoes style.

Farah was in England by the time he was 8. He racked up local, national and eEuropean titles as a junior. More, the absence of synthetics tracks is no hinderence. There are two all-weather tracks in Ethipioa, and one of them is owned and built by Bekele. Similar in Kenya. Most athletes complain about competing abroad, because they have no choice but to train on the harder surface of Euro and US synthetics tracks, instead of the dirt tracks and clay roads they're used to.

Hitch: in 2008 Farah was training with Mottram (...) in Australia. 6th in 2007 WCs, knocked out in the heats of the 08 OGs.

Yes, I was using the Froome/Sky apologist template.

..........

 

[SeriousSam]

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/jun/19/mo-farah-statement-denies-taking-performance-enhancing-drugs

“I have never taken performance enhancing drugs in my life and I never will. Over the course of my career I have taken hundreds of drugs tests and every single one has been negative.

Hundreds? That's a hell of a lot, but I think Armstrong still holds the record with 500 clean tests.

 

[ebandit]

it would be interesting if mo would be forthcoming if asked.............are you willing to name all products used

( incl, tues ) /techniques employed while training / competing to improve your performance?

Mark L

 

[More Strides than Rides]

Re:

it would be interesting if mo would be forthcoming if asked.............are you willing to name all products used

( incl, tues ) /techniques employed while training / competing to improve your performance?

Mark L

A statement from a few years ago (2013) by Salazar:
http://www.nutraingredients.com/Markets-and-Trends/Mo-better-supplements-Farah-coach-backs-vitamins-and-amino-acids

We don't take that much stuff and everything that Mo takes is from UK Athletics. None of our athletes are on any sports-specific supplement other than beta alanine, which is an amino acid. Other than that, it's iron, vitamin D, and that's it. You don't really need anything else.

He hardly did any stuff and he was still fast, so it is surprising that when we do this stuff, he is where he is? I've seen him do workouts when he'll be pushing himself so hard that he literally has to crawl off the track.

Farah has said their L-Carnitine use reportedly stopped in 2012. Salazar has said the found tube of androgel was his (despite it being adverse to his heart condition), and that the supplement testoboost was used on Galen Rupp only when he was younger. It's hard now to keep track of the he-said, she-said nature of the story now, but the offical word seems to be that Farah is not on any TUEs, Thyroid or Asthma medication (both okay without TUE).

But yes, that is the right question to ask now. They've had some time to get their story straight, but I bet even that would be inconsistent with past statements and other testimony.

EDIT: and NOP runner Centrowitz said as of yesterday that he is only takes Iron and Vitamin C...
http://www.oregonlive.com/trackandfield/index.ssf/2015/06/matthew_centrowitz_sharpens_hi.html

 

[The Hitch]

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http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/jun/19/mo-farah-statement-denies-taking-performance-enhancing-drugs

“I have never taken performance enhancing drugs in my life and I never will. Over the course of my career I have taken hundreds of drugs tests and every single one has been negative.

Hundreds? That's a hell of a lot, but I think Armstrong still holds the record with 500 clean tests.

He makes a good argument. Hundreds of tests, no positives. Must be cleans.

 

[ray j willings]

The number of tests he claims should not be a diversion from the fact that he does not seem to have the ability to answer his front door when someone calls.
I am a musician and my studio is in my house and even I can hear the door knocking over loud music. It cuts through the sound.
Its like if your at a party some one always hears the door bell or the door knocker. .Different resonance
Unless he had metallica playing live in his living room ,,,he's full of kaka.

 

[ebandit]

ray sounds like you know acoustics.............but when mo is hiding behind his sofa surely that would muffle any

sound of knocking / ringing

Mark L

 

[ray j willings]

Actual photo from when the testers came round

 

[buckle]

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/jun/20/mo-farah-witch-hunt-steve-cram

"Some sections of the media seem keen to make out that a missed test means avoiding a test, which it does not."

Original interview:-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/athletics/33211702

We are expected to believe that an athlete like Rimmer has had "about 30 tests" in the last "5 or 6 years" but Mo has had "hundreds" during the same time frame.

The BBC's involvement in all of this is very strange.

 

[Pies&Booze]

Daily Mail is really keeping this story going.

Mo must have really upset someone.......

 

[Pies&Booze]

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Daily Mail is really keeping this story going.

Mo must have really upset someone.......

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-3132807/Athletics-arrogant-reaction-Mo-Farah-s-two-missed-tests-shows-just-believe-cheating-endemic.html

Oops!

 

[ebandit]

witches

thanks for posting P & B good article getting down to the nitty gritty

questioning reactions like this http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/athletics/33213398

steve cram thinks mo is the victim of a witch hunt.......that's what we need more

witch hunts ......after all it's cheating we are looking out for

Mark L

 

[ray j willings]

Re: witches

thanks for posting P & B good article getting down to the nitty gritty

questioning reactions like this http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/athletics/33213398

steve cram thinks mo is the victim of a witch hunt.......that's what we need more

witch hunts ......after all it's cheating we are looking out for

Mark L

How the fu%% can it be a witch hunt when Cram and the BBC keep pointing out that "there is no suggestion that mo has doped" Then they do interviews with athletes who defend Mo and the random testing "just answer the
fu££ing door"
Witch- hunt ,that's a joke.
Cram always when he commentates has a high and mighty anti doping stance , yet Mo had his
Kenyan Training mates busted for doping now Salazar and Cram defends him ,,,what a D%%k