Moderation

[AmRacer]

Who are my political opponents now? I just want to watch a cycling race.

Yes, me too. But the above discussion is whether we can be pro and against the protesters.

 

[RedheadDane]

Yes, me too. But the above discussion is whether we can be pro and against the protesters.

You can be against the concept of someone stepping out in front of a bike race, without having any opinion* regarding their reasoning for doing so.

Let's say there's an ITT up LPDBF, and Thibaut Pinot decides to launch a protest against the term "GOAT", so he steps out in front of Pogacar with his goats - the kind that goes "BAH!" - I would, in fact, consider him an idiot for doing that, even though I don't generally consider Pinot to be an idiot, and I don't really have any strong opinions about the term GOAT.



*Or, probably more likely in the case during the TTT, having opinion, but not be expressing them simply by stating that you don't think people should step out in front of a bike race.

 

[red_flanders]

I'm afraid I'm not communicating my point properly here. I'm not saying political posts should stand, I'm saying less obviously political posts such as those lambasting the protestors are nevertheless also political and should also be removed

The content of posts lambasting protesters matters.

1. Lambasting protesters by saying "I wish these stupid ****s would beat it and stop interfering in the race" is not political.
2. Lambasting them by saying "I wish these stupid ****s would would beat it and stop blathering about X idiotic cause" is political.

If your position is that #1 is a problem, that's not a defensible stance IMO. Seems the alternative is "no one can say anything if a protester disrupts a race". I would think that unrealistic and a weird level of censorship, and limiting users from commenting on something clearly and directly affecting the race and the sporting results.

Probably a good self-check to see if you have the same reaction to a protest when it's an issue you don't care about. If not, maybe your issue is more about the politics of the protest than the forum rules.

Similarly, I would think of all discussions of "sportswashing" and "national teams" and the like are inherently and unavoidably political and would not be allowed, whatever my own feelings on the topic.

 

[E_F_]

You can't divorce a protest from its cause and the reasons behind it. Attempting to make a strong argument against all protests which are disruptive of cycling races through a thought-experiment imagining the dumbest and most meaningless cause is quite frankly baffling. Clearly if you want to argue against any and all such protests you would need to find the most righteous and sensible cause you can imagine.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

You can't divorce a protest from its cause and the reasons behind it. Attempting to make a strong argument against all protests which are disruptive of cycling races through a thought-experiment imagining the dumbest and most meaningless cause is quite frankly baffling. Clearly if you want to argue against any and all such protests you would need to find the most righteous and sensible cause you can imagine.

I've already laid out the principles I'm using here. If you don't agree, feel free to email community@futurenet.com

 

[RedheadDane]

You can't divorce a protest from its cause and the reasons behind it.

True, but you can agree with a cause, and still think stepping out in front of a bike race is *** stupid.

Clearly if you want to argue against any and all such protests you would need to find the most righteous and sensible cause you can imagine.

What's righteous and sensible for one person might not be for another. But I guess that's rather political discussion.

 

[Red Rick]

You can't divorce a protest from its cause and the reasons behind it. Attempting to make a strong argument against all protests which are disruptive of cycling races through a thought-experiment imagining the dumbest and most meaningless cause is quite frankly baffling. Clearly if you want to argue against any and all such protests you would need to find the most righteous and sensible cause you can imagine.

Either you can very easily divorce it or I'm supposed to take a more negative opinion on on said cause simply because those protesters are interfering with my leisure time.

So I choose to see the method as divorced from the reason behind it.

 

[the delgados]

Either you can very easily divorce it or I'm supposed to take a more negative opinion on on said cause simply because those protesters are interfering with my leisure time.

So I choose to see the method as divorced from the reason behind it.

You're forcing yourself to take a negative view because the protestors are "interfering with your leisure time." No one is telling you to think otherwise.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Guys: you are beginning to slide into revealing your positions on the Israel/Gaza issue.
Be careful

 

[Red Rick]

You're forcing yourself to take a negative view because the protestors are "interfering with your leisure time." No one is telling you to think otherwise.

I just think a stupid behavior is a stupid behavior, no matter what cause it's attached to. I could perhaps frame it better but I don't force myself to do anything.

It's a much simpler framework to work with, lest I need to decide for every cause out there if I need to bring torch, pitchfork and or sledgehammer to a bicycle race.

 

[red_flanders]

You can't divorce a protest from its cause and the reasons behind it. Attempting to make a strong argument against all protests which are disruptive of cycling races through a thought-experiment imagining the dumbest and most meaningless cause is quite frankly baffling. Clearly if you want to argue against any and all such protests you would need to find the most righteous and sensible cause you can imagine.

Sure you can within the framework of discussing cycling. I gave one simplistic example above. There are many other ways to do it. If you can't, maybe you're trying to talk politics, not cycling?

 

[red_flanders]

Speaking about bringing out torches, pitchforks and sledgehammers: That's exactly why the protestors interrupted the event, but it has nothing to do with a bike race.

...aaaaand...there it is.

Do we think our friend here had strong feelings on the plight of shipyard workers?

No. Just get the **** out of my way, I'm at work.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

15 posts deleted: this has gone a long way from discussion of moderation here, and too far into politics.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

15 posts deleted: this has gone a long way from discussion of moderation here, and too far into politics.

Well, I did read through numerous posts of your own to get a sense of what and wasn't acceptable before deciding to join this discussion.. Not clear to me where I went wrong. Nevertheless I don't want to make your life more difficult. Apologies.

 

[E_F_]

What's righteous and sensible for one person might not be for another. But I guess that's rather political discussion.

Excactly...