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[Race Radio]

Even Stevie Wonder could have seen what the JTL thread was going to result in.

The JTL thread is filled with invented claims designed to provoke as much conflict as possible. To be fair there were warnings handed out.......to posters who asked for proof of the more absurd claims.

The message is clear. Clogging the forum with endless, invented, conflict is fine....pointing it out is not.

 

[MarkvW]

If you tell people what you think, and how you get there, you give readers the opportunity to fairly evaluate your conclusion without the reader needing to research how you got there.

Or, you can throw wild unsupported statements out there that bait people into negative statements. Then you can set the hook by baiting them into saying a few stupid things. Finally, you can show them to be complete idiots by revealing the sources supporting your statements.

Or, you can make something up, and hope that you get lucky when the facts break your way in the future. Same game as above, only you risk humiliation quite often. On Tuesday, for example.

At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter. The wanton speculation makes the Clinic fun.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

If you tell people what you think, and how you get there, you give readers the opportunity to fairly evaluate your conclusion without the reader needing to research how you got there.

Or, you can throw wild unsupported statements out there that bait people into negative statements. Then you can set the hook by baiting them into saying a few stupid things. Finally, you can show them to be complete idiots by revealing the sources supporting your statements.

Or, you can make something up, and hope that you get lucky when the facts break your way in the future. Same game as above, only you risk humiliation quite often. On Tuesday, for example.

At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter. The wanton speculation makes the Clinic fun.

or on a saturday

Contador will speak to the press on Saturday about his 2010 plans.

new iPod touch on the 9th.

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=79712&postcount=556

Very amusing....

Contador team announcement Sept 5th.

Any link to that or is it just speculation

Sorry can't link it. I just know. He's not going to QS or Casse. The only way is to buy out his contract to Astana and then pay him the 2.5€ a year he deserves. Alberto also wants a big input into technology and clothing. Something he never got at Astana.

So in saying all that there are only two teams that can fulfil this criteria. Cervelo and his own team. Choose for yourself.

and its september so ....

Reverend Fred aka krebs works

 

[TANK91]

How petty is Ferryman? I praised Contador best rider this year no GT completed yet still leads WT he as killed it. In another post i said i also have doubts how serious it was because the rumours of him riding on it straight away. And then he comes in shouting get over it your boy is not as good as Contador what an idiotic post.


In no way was i saying oh Alberto is a liar i said i have doubts that is all. I also said in a post i am liking him more and more every day so why is this guy comming in shouting about Froome at me.

 

[hiero2]

It is seldom enforced.

You see a handful of posters who invent claims with no basis in reality in order to draw others into an endless back and forth. You also see these same posters deliberately twisting what others write, or pretend it has not been explained clearly, in order to provoke conflict.

Yes, we see more than a handful of posters who present fabricated or enhanced versions of reality. Problem is, there is no simple litmus test for the moderator to stick a bit of paper in the post, dip it in the solution and say - "OH, hey! It's yellow! Must be a lie!". So, it's like the pre-EPO test days. The've got to keep everybody below the 50% hematocrit line, and can't really do more.

In addition to that, we have posters thinking they know the first poster to be untrue - and then shout at them in the thread. Which makes ALL of it rowdy nonsense. Doesn't do ANYONE any good. The end result is often not much better than children: "Did so!" "Did not!".

This may come as a surprise to you but I do not control what any poster writes here. If a poster is banned it is due to their actions.

Ooops. One small slip up. You forgot to include yourself.


I say it again - as I see it, the current mods are doing a decent job. They are applying the rules to all the posters, which is something long needed. The improvements in posting may seem slow, but I believe we are seeing them. I think some people are thinking before they hit the "Submit" button. Good on them!

 

[hiero2]

So... is Puzzled and Upset a sockpuppet for Kotar_Rhakoz? You are easily the most bizarre poster here since DAOTEC. Keep up the insanity!

Yes. Bizarre is certainly an apt description. I think they refer to this sort of behavior these days as challenged. Yes. That could also be apt.

Whilst it is mildy amusing, I don't think it is a good idea to keep him around. Unless you are in favor of keeping little men with bells on their caps and toes, waving sticks with ribbons and more bells, for your highness's amusement at court.

 

[MarkvW]

Yes. Bizarre is certainly an apt description. I think they refer to this sort of behavior these days as challenged. Yes. That could also be apt.

Whilst it is mildy amusing, I don't think it is a good idea to keep him around. Unless you are in favor of keeping little men with bells on their caps and toes, waving sticks with ribbons and more bells, for your highness's amusement at court.

It's not good for him/her. Hopefully the more insane it gets, the more likely it is that the mods will take action. I have given up reporting anything after my last unpleasant exchange with a mod.

 

[BigMac]

What do you mean it's not good for him/her?

 

[MarkvW]

What do you mean it's not good for him/her?

Either the person is a genius troll, or seriously mentally ill.

 

[Granville57]

I think they refer to this sort of behavior these days as challenged.

You do realize that we can see these posts, right?

I can not believe that this "discussion" is taking place in public.

 

[mewmewmew13]

You do realize that we can see these posts, right?

I can not believe that this "discussion" is taking place in public.

I can't either
I am having a suspension of disbelief that anyone..mod or member ..thinks that this is acceptable.
cut it out please and do your pm'ing..

 

[Afrank]

You do realize that we can see these posts, right?

I can not believe that this "discussion" is taking place in public.

I can't either
I am having a suspension of disbelief that anyone..mod or member ..thinks that this is acceptable.
cut it out please and do your pm'ing..

I concur, consider the matter dealt with.
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1563229&postcount=411

Time to move on.

 

[mewmewmew13]

thanks or this and the other thread afrank

 

[hiero2]

You do realize that we can see these posts, right?

I can not believe that this "discussion" is taking place in public.

Well, if I need to publicly apologize for using the description "challenged", I will do so. I beg pardon.

But, before we leave, let's recap. A poster once known, by their own claim, as Mad Elephant Man and other nicks signs up with a new nick. And proceeds to both beg to be banned, and publicly proclaim his identity as a banned poster, and proclaim his initial innocence of any offense against the rules.

That nick gets a short ban, but this is not good enough for them - and my timing may be off - but somewhere in here we get a permaban, then a return under a "former new nick + 'again'. And more of the same sort of nonsense. About which most people seem to be amused, as the only target seems to be the board itself, and the barbs are far more gentle than most you get on any given Saturday Night Live. But "Again" gets the expected and requested permaban.

This poster then appeals to a mod, convincing someone from another board to collaborate and act as intermediate. He wangles a new identity and begins posting again, proclaiming himself to be reborn and vowing to be a rule-abiding netizen! And was convincing enough to con the mod. Which nick promptly goes downhill and down the tubes.

And we get ANOTHER new nick by a poster proclaiming to be the same real life person. Involved in the same schtick.

Obviously, this person has no difficulty with showing his, harrumph, to the world, live and in real time. Obviously, they have now also not listened to more than a few PMs, and quite a few public requests as well.

Given that this poster STILL has anonymity, what is the difference between offering public commentary here, vs getting advice from Dear Abby? This poster is certainly demonstrating a rather unusual pre-occupation with classic trolling, yes? If this were a normal poster, involved in (relatively) normal conversations, I would certainly agree with your shock. However, this behavior is not normal.

And, yes, I was very aware that everyone could read these. That was the point. Sometimes, public censure can be effective when private censure is not. Sometimes public transparency and honesty can be effective when private conversations are not. I think we can safely say, at this point, anything private has proven ineffective.

Anyway, I apologize if you felt that my use of "challenged" was unfeeling or out of order. It was not my intention to insult anyone, including the poster in question, but rather to offer that person a lesson in how other people might view his antics. And to display my very real concern that this pre-occupation may be damaging.

Next time, tho - we've tried this. So next time, I will simply and silently report it so that mod action can be prompt. "If ya can't beat 'em, just shut 'em up. "

 

[Granville57]

But, before we leave, let's recap.

Are you really that dense? The point that some of us have been trying to make is: DROP IT!

It's inappropriate and serves no useful purposes on this forum.

And yeah, I already know all the details so there's no point in repeating them. As to the "challenged" remark, you seem to be attaching way too much siginifance to that. I was referring to the overall tone and approach that had been adopted by yourself and some others. Not just one word, FFS.

This poster then appeals to a mod, convincing someone from another board to collaborate and act as intermediate.

I'm pretty sure you've got your facts a bit scrambled there as well. But since there seems to be a trend around here lately of letting private conversations bleed out into the open, I'll leave it there.

what is the difference between offering public commentary here, vs getting advice from Dear Abby?

Seriously?
I'll try to make this simple as possible for you to understand.
When Dear Abby offers advice? SHE'S ANSWERING PEOPLE'S DIRECT REQUEST TO RECEIVE SUCH ADVICE.

I realize the difference is subtle, but give it a few whirls.



And with that, I'm done with this topic.

Also, thanks to Afrank for employing some common sense regarding all of this.

 

[MarkvW]

Well, if I need to publicly apologize for using the description "challenged", I will do so. I beg pardon.

But, before we leave, let's recap. A poster once known, by their own claim, as Mad Elephant Man and other nicks signs up with a new nick. And proceeds to both beg to be banned, and publicly proclaim his identity as a banned poster, and proclaim his initial innocence of any offense against the rules.

That nick gets a short ban, but this is not good enough for them - and my timing may be off - but somewhere in here we get a permaban, then a return under a "former new nick + 'again'. And more of the same sort of nonsense. About which most people seem to be amused, as the only target seems to be the board itself, and the barbs are far more gentle than most you get on any given Saturday Night Live. But "Again" gets the expected and requested permaban.

This poster then appeals to a mod, convincing someone from another board to collaborate and act as intermediate. He wangles a new identity and begins posting again, proclaiming himself to be reborn and vowing to be a rule-abiding netizen! And was convincing enough to con the mod. Which nick promptly goes downhill and down the tubes.

And we get ANOTHER new nick by a poster proclaiming to be the same real life person. Involved in the same schtick.

Obviously, this person has no difficulty with showing his, harrumph, to the world, live and in real time. Obviously, they have now also not listened to more than a few PMs, and quite a few public requests as well.

Given that this poster STILL has anonymity, what is the difference between offering public commentary here, vs getting advice from Dear Abby? This poster is certainly demonstrating a rather unusual pre-occupation with classic trolling, yes? If this were a normal poster, involved in (relatively) normal conversations, I would certainly agree with your shock. However, this behavior is not normal.

And, yes, I was very aware that everyone could read these. That was the point. Sometimes, public censure can be effective when private censure is not. Sometimes public transparency and honesty can be effective when private conversations are not. I think we can safely say, at this point, anything private has proven ineffective.

Anyway, I apologize if you felt that my use of "challenged" was unfeeling or out of order. It was not my intention to insult anyone, including the poster in question, but rather to offer that person a lesson in how other people might view his antics. And to display my very real concern that this pre-occupation may be damaging.

Next time, tho - we've tried this. So next time, I will simply and silently report it so that mod action can be prompt. "If ya can't beat 'em, just shut 'em up. "

No problems.

 

[Afrank]

There's really no need to recap anything hiero2. I think it would be best to let this one remain over and done at this point. But your recap does have a few things that are wrong that I would like to correct to prevent misinformation.

1st, the poster never directly appealed to us to let him stay, and they did not convince anyone else to help them to continue to post. He only came back under the Kotar account after I told him we were willing to cut him some slack and have him open a new account to post under.

2nd, he didn't proclaim himself reborn or anything like that. In fact, he actually wondered a few times in my correspondence with him why we hadn't just permabanned him straight away and said multiple time he would accept it if we did.

 

[Dr. Horrible is extremely angry]

This is me again. I have comeback again because I am extremely angry. I have been thinking hard about manners since it was decided I should be permanently banned again

Here are the facts.

As Kotar_Rhakoz I broke absolutely no rules.
As Puzzled and Upset I broke absolutely no rules with the content of my posts although me registering my account is technically against the rules.

While I posted as these two accounts I was subject to a large number of personal attacks by multiple posters and I was given absolutely no protections by the moderators. I admitted my previous errors quite openly and I apologised for them and I NEVER PERSONALLY ATTACKED ANYONE BACK DESPITE THIS REPEAT PROVOKATION. I took personal attack after personal attack and I never attacked back. I kept honestly discussing the issue, which was me, but I never broke the rules.

MODERATORS YOU LEFT ME OUT THERE WITHOUT ANY PROTECTION EVEN THOUGH RULES WHERE BEING BROKEN. YOU ACTED DISGRACEFULLY IN NOT DOING ANYTHING TO PROTECT ME.

However this was not enough for the likes of Netserk and especially Heiro2. I have now been permanently banned and that has still not stopped Heiro2 attacking me and I still have not been given any protection by the moderators. The comments have not been deleted as they should have been.

As far as I can tell Heiro2 in particular has repeatedly personally attacked me and has now today continued to do so despite being told not to by and moderator.

I CANNOT SEE HOW THIS BEHAVIOR SHOULD NOT BE MET BY A BAN, A LENGTHY BAN.

I am very angry, I am very upset. I am willing to accept my ban, but I am not willing to stand by and be repeatedly personally attacked for things I did not do. I am not willing to watch moderators let it happen.

To the person who stood up for me and got me my second chance as Kotar_Rhakoz. THANKYOU, I do not know who you are, but thank you. I have no idea why you did it, but THANK YOU. I am sorry I let you down by getting myself banned again.

 

[Netserk]

Here are the facts.

As Kotar_Rhakoz I broke absolutely no rules.

False. 10char

 

[Dr. Horrible is extremely angry]

Please delete the DR. Horrible thread. Please so me some compassion, I am a human being with feelings. A human being who is currently sitting in front of their computer bawling their eyes out because you abandoned me to be repeatedly personally attacked.

Please do something. Please I beg you.

 

[Netserk]

Please delete the DR. Horrible thread. Please so me some compassion, I am a human being with feelings. A human being who is currently sitting in front of their computer bawling their eyes out because you abandoned me to be repeatedly personally attacked.

Please do something. Please I beg you.

Please explain which rules *the thread* is against.

 

[Dr. Horrible is extremely angry]

False. 10char

What rule did I break with my posts?

 

[Netserk]

What rule did I break with my posts?

Did I say it were your posts that broke the rules?

 

[Dr. Horrible is extremely angry]

Did I say it were your posts that broke the rules?

If you are refering to the creation of the account then you need to get your facts correct.

I was instructed to create that account by Afrank. He contacted me while I was still posting as Luigi_Max_Again, trolling the board and trying to get permanently banned, and told me they would give me another chance but I had to create a new account. I followed his instructions and I created the Kotar_Rhakoz account. I broke no rules by creating the account.

 

[King Boonen]

I like this guy...