Moncoutie

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Guys do you still believe that it's possible to win anything without drugs?
Of course Klöden is jsuted, like 95 % of the peleton.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

cofidis = dopers

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/story/2004/04/09/gaumont040409.html

millar etc. etc. etc. Hired LA .... etc ...etc....


LMAO that someone would put up a Cofidis cyclist as a vison of clean.

 

[Benotti69]

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/story/2004/04/09/gaumont040409.html

millar etc. etc. etc. Hired LA .... etc ...etc....


LMAO that someone would put up a Cofidis cyclist as a vison of clean.

it's Moncoutie whom it would appear is a clean rider.

It is possible, albeit it sometimes take a lot of believing, that a rider on a dirty team can be clean. See Bassons.

 

[Bavarianrider]

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What makey you know he is clean?
He isn't really winning antything too. Breakaways, ok. But one on one agisnt the top riders he is nothing.

 

[veganrob]

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What makey you know he is clean?
He isn't really winning antything too. Breakaways, ok. But one on one agisnt the top riders he is nothing.

And winning in a breakaway does not count?

 

[Escarabajo]

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/story/2004/04/09/gaumont040409.html

millar etc. etc. etc. Hired LA .... etc ...etc....


LMAO that someone would put up a Cofidis cyclist as a vison of clean.

Do you know who Philippe Gaumont is. Well if you are familiar with the Cofidis investigation you should know this then:

He is known as a clean cyclist who relies on Homeopathy.[2][3] François Migraine of Cofidis said: "Everyone is more or less unanimous that David Moncoutié doesn't dabble [in drugs]. I would have 10 of him in the team if I could. He wins three races a year and he still manages to finish in the UCI's top 50. It goes to show that you don't have to dabble in drugs to have a career in cycling."[9]

When Cofidis was at the centre of a doping scandal in 2004, one of those at the centre of events, Philippe Gaumont, wrote that Moncoutie did not follow most riders in taking drugs.[10]

By that logic Bassons was dirty too, then? Maybe he was but facts show he wasn't. Same as Moncoutie.

 

[Mambo95]

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/story/2004/04/09/gaumont040409.html

millar etc. etc. etc. Hired LA .... etc ...etc....


LMAO that someone would put up a Cofidis cyclist as a vison of clean.

LMAO that you would put a link to Gaumont's evidence, considering that Gaumont specifically stated that Moncoutie was completely clean and suffered a lot of derision as a result.

From a review of Gaumont's book: http://www.abcc.co.uk/Reviews/prisoner_dope.html:

"Gaumont says he knows for certain only two riders who remained clean: the Estonian Janek Tombak, and David Moncoutié. The latter was joshed by his team-mates (‘When are you going to move up to the fast lane?'), and mocked by the same team managers (‘He hasn't a fighter's temperament') who now cite him as a role model: ‘We need ten like him in the team'."

 

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The guy who supposedly will not even take vitamins.

"Equipment, even the latest technology, that's not my thing. What I like is to be on my bike and to ride. That's when I'm happy."

"I've never believed that. I've always fixed myself realisable objectives that matched my way of riding and my convictions."

The guy's idea of training is to ride around Parisian parks for a couple of hours. His team have spent years being infuriated by his unwillingness to search for the marginal gains. Moncoutié is such a laid-back character who seems totally unfazed by, and distant from, all that is competitive about the sport. He is usually exhibit A in the lists of people thought to be clean.

But if you're offended by me selecting him because of the Cofidis jersey, I could always put a picture of Pierrick Fedrigo instead.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Do you know who Philippe Gaumont is. Well if you are familiar with the Cofidis investigation you should know this then:



By that logic Bassons was dirty too, then? Maybe he was but facts show he wasn't. Same as Moncoutie.

I was only inferring that the Cofidis team structure was proven to be dirty. Why do you want to know who I know. Nope I do not know Philippe Gaumont I have never meet him nor spoken with him. Have you?

Do I think anyone on Cofidis is clean No. Could they be clean...??? Yes. I should have just kept my post to myself. I just thought it is funny (thus LMAO) when speaking about fictional characters such as a "clean Cyclist".

 

[Semper Fidelis]

LMAO that you would put a link to Gaumont's evidence, considering that Gaumont specifically stated that Moncoutie was completely clean and suffered a lot of derision as a result.

From a review of Gaumont's book: http://www.abcc.co.uk/Reviews/prisoner_dope.html:

"Gaumont says he knows for certain only two riders who remained clean: the Estonian Janek Tombak, and David Moncoutié. The latter was joshed by his team-mates (‘When are you going to move up to the fast lane?'), and mocked by the same team managers (‘He hasn't a fighter's temperament') who now cite him as a role model: ‘We need ten like him in the team'."

Sorry to offend you Mambo95. I do not feel like dancing the mambo today so .. have your fun.
I was only laughing at the link of a clean cyclist while riding for a dirty team.
Maybe this Moncoutie fella is guilty by association. Sure he must have seen some troubling actions by other teammates and he just kept his mouth shut. Hell he is guilty of Omerta.

 

[pmcg76]

I was only inferring that the Cofidis team structure was proven to be dirty. Why do you want to know who I know. Nope I do not know Philippe Gaumont I have never meet him nor spoken with him. Have you?

Do I think anyone on Cofidis is clean No. Could they be clean...??? Yes. I should have just kept my post to myself. I just thought it is funny (thus LMAO) when speaking about fictional characters such as a "clean Cyclist".

So when a proven doper says a team-mate doesnt dope and he only exorates one or two on his team. Why would they do that?

 

[hrotha]

Sorry to offend you Mambo95. I do not feel like dancing the mambo today so .. have your fun.
I was only laughing at the link of a clean cyclist while riding for a dirty team.
Maybe this Moncoutie fella is guilty by association. Sure he must have seen some troubling actions by other teammates and he just kept his mouth shut. Hell he is guilty of Omerta.

You'd have to be either a jerkass or a true hero to speak out and denounce your own colleagues when everybody's doing it and you haven't even been caught.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

So when a proven doper says a team-mate doesnt dope and he only exorates one or two on his team. Why would they do that?

Well you sure do have a point. To answer you're question- I do not truely know why someone would do that but one hypothesis could be that the three of them are rump roasters and wanted to prop the other ones up.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

You'd have to be either a jerkass or a true hero to speak out and denounce your own colleagues when everybody's doing it and you haven't even been caught.

Yeah you are on to something. Maybe he is a coward and a lone cyclist in a sea of sharks.

 

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To be honest, I don't think Moncoutié really cares if he's being beaten by others cos they had better technology or medical assistance or whatever. He just enjoys riding.

Why a character so lackadaisical and nonchalant, so carefree that they openly state to the world that they have little interest in advancing themselves, would then be caring enough about their results to charge, I don't see.

 

[pmcg76]

Well you sure do have a point. To answer you're question- I do not truely know why someone would do that but one hypothesis could be that the three of them are rump roasters and wanted to prop the other ones up.

Well I dont think Moncoutie & Gaumont were ever buddies, in fact I think Moncoutie always had a reputation for being different and quite individual. As someone else mentioned, Moncoutie continued to live and train in Paris even if it wasnt the best place to train, which infuriated the Cofidis hierarchy. Philipe Gaumont seemed to be a real headcase and his buddies were the late Frank Vandenbroucke, Nico Mattan and a few other Cofidis guys. Like Bassons at Festina, Moncoutie was outside the dopers clique.

I remember all the way back to 97 when he turned pro at the same time as David Millar for Cofidis, Millar had a monthly piece in Cycle Sport and even back then he described Moncoutie as a bit different and weird. Perhaps his individuality is what saved him form the doping scourge.

Its like when Willy Voet said that Charly Mottet was one of the few riders who didnt dope, he named so many people it seemed strange that he would lie about Mottet. I dont think it was to do with friendship either as Voet seemed to be closer to Eric Caritoux.

If Moncoutie could get decent results, why not some other clean riders. I am not talking about GT winners but guys like Voeckler, Fedrigo, Casar, Pineau etc. Surely its feasible some of these guys could also be clean.

 

[hrotha]

Yeah you are on to something. Maybe he is a coward and a lone cyclist in a sea of sharks.

I don't think you understand what a hero is if you believe not being a hero equals being a coward.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

I don't think you understand what a hero is if you believe not being a hero equals being a coward.

If he was a HERO then he would be outspoken etc. Yet he is just riding a bike.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Well I dont think Moncoutie & Gaumont were ever buddies, in fact I think Moncoutie always had a reputation for being different and quite individual. As someone else mentioned, Moncoutie continued to live and train in Paris even if it wasnt the best place to train, which infuriated the Cofidis hierarchy. Philipe Gaumont seemed to be a real headcase and his buddies were the late Frank Vandenbroucke, Nico Mattan and a few other Cofidis guys. Like Bassons at Festina, Moncoutie was outside the dopers clique.

I remember all the way back to 97 when he turned pro at the same time as David Millar for Cofidis, Millar had a monthly piece in Cycle Sport and even back then he described Moncoutie as a bit different and weird. Perhaps his individuality is what saved him form the doping scourge.

Its like when Willy Voet said that Charly Mottet was one of the few riders who didnt dope, he named so many people it seemed strange that he would lie about Mottet. I dont think it was to do with friendship either as Voet seemed to be closer to Eric Caritoux.

If Moncoutie could get decent results, why not some other clean riders. I am not talking about GT winners but guys like Voeckler, Fedrigo, Casar, Pineau etc. Surely its feasible some of these guys could also be clean.

I already conceded that. It is possible. But yet You and your friends want to bang on me for not having a favorable opinon of Baffoon and Mancutie. Hey if they want to rump roast that is fine by me.

Honestly the odds of them being 100% clean is not in their favor. You can dream and believe in miracles all you want but that does not make it true.

 

[hrotha]

If he was a HERO then he would be outspoken etc. Yet he is just riding a bike.

That's the point. He's not a hero. It's not reasonable to expect normal people to be heroes.

 

[pmcg76]

I already conceded that. It is possible. But yet You and your friends want to bang on me for not having a favorable opinon of Baffoon and Mancutie. Hey if they want to rump roast that is fine by me.

Honestly the odds of them being 100% clean is not in their favor. You can dream and believe in miracles all you want but that does not make it true.

Nor does it mean they dope because you like to think that all cyclists dope. Works both ways, there is no definites in procycling.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Nor does it mean they dope because you like to think that all cyclists dope. Works both ways, there is no definites in procycling.

True statement / post. Where is the discussion going? Are you personally mad that I am not a Mancutie fan? If not then I guess the thread is dead????

 

[L'arriviste]

He wins three races a year and he still manages to finish in the UCI's top 50.

And that's why he's still in the game. He's a bona fide survivor. At the risk of too loudly claiming "things have changed", I do think he managed to bridge a considerable gulf between 'then' and 'now' in French cycling. He kept his head down and achieved just enough. In that way, I think the Cofidis bust may have even saved his career. No way would he have survived much longer in his modesty on a team peddling the likes of Astarloa and Millar around.

After the bust, French teams had to lower their expectations. They were out of the game. Against that background, a guy who still consistently pulls off the occasional biggish win suddenly looks like gold. I like to believe the same could be said of Thomas Voeckler.

So no wonder old Moncoutié irked Cofidis top brass back then. Sure, he stayed away and trained in Paris but it probably has more to do with a clean rider in a dirty team (at the time) being an organisational risk. Who's holding the trump card if you try to play contractual hardball? Who do the cops go to for an unimpeachable witness?

 

[Benotti69]

True statement / post. Where is the discussion going? Are you personally mad that I am not a Mancutie fan? If not then I guess the thread is dead????

Why all that negativity towards Moncoutie and Basson?

Is it because a lot of posters in here give them the benefit of the doubt that they ride and rode clean?

your posts in this thread are bordering flickie/ballpolisher levels????

 

[Mambo95]

True statement / post. Where is the discussion going? Are you personally mad that I am not a Mancutie fan? If not then I guess the thread is dead????

My guess is you didn't know who the person in the photo was. You just saw the word Cofidis and ploughed in with your ill-informed views on an event from 8 years ago.

Then, it true internet tradition, rather than admit your mistake, you decided to dig yourself a bigger hole instead.