MPCC, Sky, corticoids

[sniper]

has this been discussed?
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/inc...t-all-worldtour-teams-are-in-mpcc-says-legeay

38 teams have signed up.
But Sky (along with other dubious teams Saxo-Tinkoff, BMC, RadioShack-Leopard, Euskaltel-Euskadi, Movistar, Cannondale and Omega Pharma-QuickStep) still haven't. Could it have to do with the use of cortico-steroids?

A key feature of the MPCC charter is

increased controls to counter the use of corticoids. He [Legeay] said that the voluntary tests would continue even with the dramatically increased volume of teams. MPCC teams pledge not to field riders while they hold a therapeutic use exemption for cortisone and they agree to undergo four voluntary tests for cortisol levels throughout the season.http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/inc...t-all-worldtour-teams-are-in-mpcc-says-legeay

Is the cortisone rule one reason why Sky haven't signed up with MPCC?
Does anybody know of Sky riders with cortisone exemptions? Is the use of TUEs made public somewhere?

Hereare Iwan Spekenbrink (DS of Argos-Shimano) and Herman Ram (president of Dutch ADA) speaking about how TUEs for corticoids have been abused over the past one or two decades. Ram says sometimes teams would line up 9 riders at a GT all with a cortisone exemption.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Euskaltel is a dubious team?

 

[Netserk]

Euskaltel is a dubious team?

They are Spanish

 

[sniper]

Euskaltel is a dubious team?

not relevant.
Question is does anybody know Sky riders with cortisone exemptions? It would explain why they don't sign up with MPCC.

 

[blackcat]

Gorski and Weisel back date 500k bribe?

 

[hrotha]

Euskaltel is a dubious team?

Of course they are. Igor González de Galdeano is their DS, there's the Astarloza affair, Samu is openly pro-omertà and tested positive already as an amateur and if you go back to review their last 10 years or so they've had plenty of positives or high hematocrits. Plus Losa.

 

[bobbins]

I've heard discussion regarding cortisone use and other teams by BC personnel. It goes on and they were pointing the fingers at the French / Belgians.

Would not be surprised if sky used them, aren't their doctors from soccer?

 

[fruit bars with eyes]

They are Spanish

i wouldn't say that to them

 

[Netserk]

i wouldn't say that to them

International instead?

 

[Pentacycle]

Euskaltel is a dubious team?

Look at their history and older riders/staff. It reeks of dope, no matter how sympathetic the carrots may be.

 

[Pentacycle]

Fact is, in the current top 10 on GC in both P-N and T-A the MPCC-committed teams are totally outnumbered by the non-MPCC teams. And they're far from leading any of them.

 

[Franklin]

Ultimately, Legeay said, the credibility of cycling lies in the hands of its team managers, as they control the culture of their teams, and he supported his thesis by pointing to the three defining doping scandals of the past 15 years – Festina, Operacion Puerto and the Lance Armstrong affair.

“All the scandals – Festina, Puerto and Armstrong – have common denominators. They were uncovered through the police and oral testimony, not through laboratory testing, and each case had a manager and a doctor behind it. That’s the reality. If the managers say it’s finished, it’s finished.

“What is doping? Managers and doctors. The key isn’t anti-doping testing, it’s the managers. I’ve said it to all of the managers, to their faces: ‘You have the power to say no.’

It's sad that this simple truth is still not accepted. Dr. Menuet still has a team. Dave Brailsford can just hire Geert Leinders.

Not signing the charter is just heartbreaking. It's just another confirmation that team Sky does not deliver on their promises. If I was a fan of that team I would be howling. If I was a fan of Wiggins I would demand the management to be sacked as they tarnish my favourite rider.

It's not the press, it's not the clinic (heh). The management of Sky is besmirching their own team.

 

[roundabout]

Meh.

You get parked for 2 weeks ala 1999 and you can use cortisol with a TUE but now have to wait more than 2 days to start a race.

Don't really see what the big deal is. Didn't stop Voeckler from flying up mountains, did it?

 

[bobbins]

Great isn't it the way zero tolerance is applied to suit.

Good job they don't test the sky employees riding the Etape!

 

[victorschipolrijk]

International instead?

No , they are Basque .

And Basque is neither French nor Spanish .

 

[sittingbison]

No , they are Basque .

And Basque is neither French nor Spanish .

didnt they abandon the "Basqueness" of the team this year?

 

[hrotha]

didnt they abandon the "Basqueness" of the team this year?

Sort of. They still talk relatively openly about the foreigners (or, rather, the guys who don't fit in the traditional Fundación Euskadi philosophy) being basically filler which they signed for their points, and saying that the leaders at the important races will still be their dudes.

Probably just a front, but it's there.

 

[sniper]

38 teams have signed up.
But Sky (along with other dubious teams Saxo-Tinkoff, BMC, RadioShack-Leopard, Euskaltel-Euskadi, Movistar, Cannondale and Omega Pharma-QuickStep) still haven't. Could it have to do with the use of cortico-steroids?
...
Does anybody know of Sky riders with cortisone exemptions? Is the use of TUEs made public somewhere?

good questionm sniper

Just because I was curious:

Bolded are MPCC member teams

1 OmegaPharma - Quick Step Cycling Team PRT 13731
2. Movistar Team PRT 10568
3. BMC Racing Team PRT 10148
4. Team Sky PRT 9363
5. Tinkoff - Saxo PRT 9058
6. Team Katusha PRT 9016
7. Lampre - Merida PRT 8614
8. Ag2r La Mondiale PRT 8541
9. Team Giant - Shimano PRT 8426
10. Belkin Pro Cycling Team PRT 8359
11. Garmin - Sharp PRT 7885
12. FDJ.fr PRT 7600
13. Astana Pro Team PRT 7503
14. Orica - GreenEDGE PRT 7385
15. Cannondale PRT 7053
16. Trek Factory Racing PRT 6598
17. Lotto - Belisol PRT 6572
18. IAM Cycling PROF 5553
19. Team Europcar PRT 4785
20. Cofidis, Solutions Crédits PROF 4630
21. Wanty - Groupe Gobert PROF 3898
22. Topsport Vlaanderen - Baloise PROF 3426
23. Team NetApp - Endura PROF 3282
24. MTN - Qhubeka PROF 2822
25. Androni Giocattoli - Venezuela PROF 2679
26. Caja Rural - Seguros RGA PROF 2486 27. Bretagne - Séché Environnement PROF 2455
28. Bardiani - CSF PROF 2404
29. Neri Sottoli PROF 2396
30. CCC Polsat - Polkowice PROF 2370

nice find.

 

[More Strides than Rides]

Took it a little farther this afternoon.
MPCC teams represent 11 out of 18 PRT teams
MPCC riders represent 56 of the top 100, and 27 of the top 50

Take it for what it is.


1. (4) ESP VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro MOV 25/04/1980 2779
2. (8) COL QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander MOV 04/02/1990 2230
3. (3) SVK SAGAN Peter CAN 26/01/1990 2216
4. (1) GBR FROOME Chris SKY 20/05/1985 2137
5. (5) ESP RODRIGUEZ OLIVER Joaquim KAT 12/05/1979 1947
6. (18) ESP CONTADOR VELASCO Alberto TCS 06/12/1982 1923
7. (7) POR COSTA Rui Alberto Faria LAM 05/10/1986 1866
8. (20) GER DEGENKOLB John GIA 07/01/1989 1860
9. (30) POL KWIATKOWSKI Michal OPQ 02/06/1990 1696
10 (27) FRA BOUHANNI Nacer FDJ 25/07/1990 1470
11 (14) GER MARTIN Tony OPQ 23/04/1985 1468
12. (38) NED TERPSTRA Niki OPQ 18/05/1984 1421
13. (2) ITA NIBALI Vincenzo AST 14/11/1984 1393
14. (31) BEL GILBERT Philippe BMC 05/07/1982 1391
15. (9) GER GREIPEL André LTB 16/07/1982 1373
16. (19) NOR KRISTOFF Alexander KAT 05/07/1987 1368
17. (39) ITA POZZOVIVO Domenico ALM 30/11/1982 1353
18. (11) SUI CANCELLARA Fabian TFR 18/03/1981 1267
19. (13) NED MOLLEMA Bauke BEL 26/11/1986 1248
20. (45) AUS EVANS Cadel BMC 14/02/1977 1246
21. (22) ITA ULISSI Diego LAM 15/07/1989 1217
22. (24) FRA DEMARE Arnaud FDJ 26/08/1991 1182
23. (17) ESP MORENO FERNANDEZ Daniel KAT 05/09/1981 1179
24. (15) BEL VAN AVERMAET Greg BMC 17/05/1985 1106
25. (6) GBR CAVENDISH Mark OPQ 21/05/1985 1096
26. (62) SUI FRANK Mathias IAM 09/12/1986 1086
27. (92) AUS GERRANS Simon OGE 16/05/1980 1074
28. (23) USA HORNER Chris LAM 23/10/1971 1044
29. (28) CZE KREUZIGER Roman TCS 06/05/1986 1043
30. (21) GER KITTEL Marcel GIA 11/05/1988 1015
31. (57) NED KELDERMAN Wilco BEL 25/03/1991 1011
32. (12) FRA CHAVANEL Sylvain IAM 30/06/1979 1002
33. (56) FRA BARDET Romain ALM 09/11/1990 969
34. (33) BEL BAKELANTS Jan OPQ 14/02/1986 965
35. (43) POL MAJKA Rafal TCS 12/09/1989 944
36. (51) COL URAN URAN Rigoberto OPQ 26/01/1987 924
37. (102) AUS MATTHEWS Michael OGE 26/09/1990 879
38. (42) IRL ROCHE Nicolas TCS 03/07/1984 848
39. (72) NED DUMOULIN Tom GIA 11/11/1990 848
40. (26) USA VAN GARDEREN Tejay BMC 12/08/1988 840
41. (94) ITA MODOLO Sacha LAM 19/06/1987 838
42. (98) BEL VANMARCKE Sep BEL 28/07/1988 836
43. (48) DEN FUGLSANG Jakob AST 22/03/1985 812
44. (184) IRI POURSEYEDI GOLAKHOR Mirsamad TPT 15/10/1985 798
45. (65) CZE STYBAR Zdenek OPQ 11/12/1985 793
46. (36) FRA DUMOULIN Samuel ALM 20/08/1980 767
47. (46) ITA REBELLIN Davide CCC 09/08/1971 743
48. (35) ITA VIVIANI Elia CAN 07/02/1989 739
49. (47) USA TALANSKY Andrew GRS 23/11/1988 732
50. (41) NED GESINK Robert BEL 31/05/1986 725
51. (64) ITA PELLIZOTTI Franco AND 15/01/1978 719
52. (67) GBR WIGGINS Bradley SKY 28/04/1980 708
53. (59) FRA VICHOT Arthur FDJ 26/11/1988 708
54. (55) GBR THOMAS Geraint SKY 25/05/1986 700
55. (252) BEL VAN ASBROECK Tom TSV 19/04/1990 687
56. (60) NOR HUSHOVD Thor BMC 18/01/1978 684
57. (71) USA FARRAR Tyler GRS 02/06/1984 683
58. (70) NED SLAGTER Tom-Jelte GRS 01/07/1989 675
59. (81) FRA GALLOPIN Tony LTB 24/05/1988 672
60. (32) COL BETANCUR GOMEZ Carlos Alberto ALM 13/10/1989 671
61. (435) BEL BOONEN Tom OPQ 15/10/1980 669
62. (16) IRL MARTIN Daniel GRS 20/08/1986 660
63. (84) DEN BRESCHEL Matti TCS 31/08/1984 654
64. (69) ESP ROJAS GIL Jose Joaquin MOV 08/06/1985 649
65. (73) FRA PERAUD Jean-Christophe ALM 22/05/1977 647
66. (52) FRA COQUARD Bryan EUC 25/04/1992 646
67. (240) ITA ARU Fabio AST 03/07/1990 645
68. (129) POR MACHADO Tiago Jose Pinto TNE 18/10/1985 640
69. (114) NED HOFLAND Moreno BEL 31/08/1991 639
70. (199) LUX DRUCKER Jempy WGG 03/09/1986 631
71. (61) FRA PINOT Thibaut FDJ 29/05/1990 626
72. (88) ITA PONZI Simone NRI 17/01/1987 617
73. (95) RSA IMPEY Daryl OGE 06/12/1984 608
74. (142) GER GESCHKE Simon GIA 13/03/1986 604
75. (109) COL ARREDONDO MORENO Julian David TFR 30/07/1988 603
76. (78) ESP IZAGIRRE INSAUSTI Ion MOV 04/02/1989 602
77. (75) BEL LEUKEMANS Björn WGG 01/07/1977 600
78. (54) BEL MEERSMAN Gianni OPQ 05/12/1985 600
79. (155) FRA SIMON Julien COF 04/10/1985 599
80. (104) ESP NIEVE ITURRALDE Mikel SKY 26/05/1984 583
81. (135) ITA BONGIORNO Francesco Manuel BAR 01/09/1990 583
82. (34) SLO SPILAK Simon KAT 23/06/1986 579
83. (209) ITA FINETTO Mauro NRI 10/05/1985 579
84. (151) ESP SANCHEZ GIL Luis Leon CJR 24/11/1983 571
85. (50) NOR BOASSON HAGEN Edvald SKY 17/05/1987 570
86. (10) AUS PORTE Richie SKY 30/01/1985 570
87. (182) DEN MØRKØV CHRISTENSEN Michael TCS 30/04/1985 567
88. (148) NED BOS Theo BEL 22/08/1983 567
89. (106) BEL DEBUSSCHERE Jens LTB 28/08/1989 563
90. (100) USA PHINNEY Taylor BMC 27/06/1990 554
91 (882) GBR YATES Adam OGE 07/08/1992 547
92. (158) CRO KISERLOVSKI Robert TFR 09/08/1986 545
93. (99) FRA MARTINEZ Yannick EUC 04/05/1988 544
94. (156) SLO MEZGEC Luka GIA 27/06/1988 543
95. (136) ESP HERRADA LOPEZ Jesus MOV 26/07/1990 542
96. (386) GBR SWIFT Ben SKY 05/11/1987 541
97. (111) ITA NIZZOLO Giacomo TFR 30/01/1989 538
98. (139) AUS DENNIS Rohan GRS 28/05/1990 535
99. (58) ITA POZZATO Filippo LAM 10/09/1981 524
100. (86) BEL VAN STAEYEN Michael TSV 13/08/1988 519

 

[sniper]

Take it for what it is.

1. (4) ESP VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro MOV 25/04/1980 2779
2. (8) COL QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander MOV 04/02/1990 2230
3. (3) SVK SAGAN Peter CAN 26/01/1990 2216
4. (1) GBR FROOME Chris SKY 20/05/1985 2137
5. (5) ESP RODRIGUEZ OLIVER Joaquim KAT 12/05/1979 1947

thanks.
top five is perhaps most interesting.

would be nice (though probably not feasible) to have a ranking of all pro riders according to body weight in relation to their MPCC membership.