ChrisE said:
Bro Deal - I haven't read Bugliosi's book.....
No one has read Bugliosi's book. It is freaking huge. I have only read excerpts and skimmed parts. It is filled with every detail you ever wanted to know. Want to know the contents of Ruby's car after he was arrested; it's in there. Want to know every phone call Ruby made between the killings of JFK and Oswald; it's in there. He took twenty years to write it, and it would take twenty years to read it. Posner'ss book, published in the early 90s, is the one to read. If you ever want to get a JFK conspiracy nutter hopping mad, mention Posner. The online crackpot sites are filled with garbage "debunking" Posner by claiming he must be working for the CIA. It is comical.
ChrisE said:
- Please explain how an object falls towards the direction of the shot, as the Zapruder film shows Kennedy's head going backwards when hit. Not only does that contradict what I have witnessed thousands of times, but it also invalidates the laws of dynamics. It sure would've been nice in my duck hunting days if the ducks would've just fallen back towards me into the blind instead of me having to go tromp thru the mud to get them lol.
This is exactly the crap I am talking about. This has been debunked for decades. Literally decades. You don't have to even read a book. There have been a large number of TV shows that have filmed demonstrations. They started with mellons, sometimes wrapped in packing tape to better simulate the skull. A recent TV show employed (obligatory Australian content for elapid's sake) an Australian company to make an artificial head and neck assembly. The neck was designed to match the movement and resistance of a human neck. The head was designed to simulate a human skull and was filled with a viscous fluid designed to simulate brain matter. The head was then shot with the same type of rife used by Oswald, in the same location in the back of the head that JFK was shot, from the same angle, and from the same distance. The shot was filmed. The result, a near exact replica of what is seen in the Zapruder film. The head snapped back as a jet of artificial brain matter and skull fragments jetted out from the front of the head. You can see that spray of tissue in the Zabruder film. This is basic physics. I would think that you can find any number of videos of Youtube demonstrating this.
ChrisE said:
- Please explain how a bullet can travel thru Kennedy, thru Connelly in I believe a couple of places, breaking bones, and end up on a stretcher in the hospital totally pristine. I've done alot of hunting and it doesn't take much to deform a bullet. What a coincidence the force in the bullet dissipated just as it left his leg, found laying on a stretcher an hour later, in perfect shape. That's assinine. And, how convenient that bullet was required to make the Warren Commission case.
Again, debunked for twenty years now. The so called magic bullet was not magic at all. 3D computer modelling of the body positions using the Zabruder film have shown that the bullet travelled in a near straight line until it exited Connelly, at which point it was moving so slowly that it barely broke the skin of Connelly's leg. The bullet was not pristine. From one angle it appears to be, but viewed lengthwise it is ovalized. In addition, viewed from other angles it is somewhat bent. What is more, micro lead fragments from the bullet were found in the victims and identified as coming from the magic bullet.
Now come up with an explanation for how the "conspiracy" planted the bullet. After killing JFK, did all the conspirators hang around just in case a bullet needed to be planted on the stretcher? Did they just happen to have such a bullet? How did they know that the bullet was not lodged in JFK or Connelly? How did they know that the bullet was not in the car? It makes no sense.
ChrisE said:
- Ruby "alll distraught" over JFK's death to move him to kill Oswald. That doesn't pass the smell test. The administration was cracking down on organized crime, and Ruby was in organized crime. How convenient JFK's murder never went to trial; they didn't count on the Zapruder film or it would've been perfect. Can you explain Ruby's sudden passion for the Kennedys? One could conclude Ruby's actions were part of a cover-up.
Sure they were, and Ruby was such a good assassin that he arrived at the Oswald transfer late. The supposed mafia hitman could not even get to the event on time. If the transfer had taken place on schedule then Ruby would have missed Oswald completely. The transfer was fifteen minultes late because Oswald himself delayed it, insisting on putting on a sweater. Ruby's movements can be tracked because of a financial transactioin he made minutes before killing Oswald. This was not a guy lying in wait for a target.
Ruby was not in organized crime. He was not in the mafia. He was not a gangster.
ChrisE said:
- I doubt this guy could be that accurate in that short amount of time with a bolt action rifle, on a moving target. Also, how convenient he worked in that building for a short amount of time, and his weird travels thru the years. Coincidence?
"During his Marine Corps service in December 1956 Oswald scored a rating of sharpshooter (twice achieving 48 and 49 out of 50 shots during rapid fire at a stationary target 200 yards [183 m] away using a standard issue M1 Garand semiautomatic rifle). Although in May 1959 he qualified as a marksman (a lower classification) military experts examining his records characterized his firearms proficiency as "above average" and was, when compared to American civilian males his age, "an excellent shot." -- Wikipedia
JFK was shot from 88 yards. It was an easy shot. The magicians Penn & Teller on their TV show demonstrated just how easy it was.
Oswald's job works against the conspiracy theories. Oswald got his job before JFK was scheduled to go the Dallas. He got it before the motorcade route was decided. And he did not seek the job out. A sympathetic neighbor, if I remember correctly, got him the job.
On top of that Oswald would have killed someone else if he did not kill Kennedy. Prior to the JFK assassination, Oswald attempted to kill retired General Walker using the same rifle he used to kill JFK. The bullet hit the window framing and was deflected.
ChrisE said:
I believe Oswald was involved, but not alone. Like I said, I didn't read the book, but am curious on the answers he gives to these questions I have always wondered about....
Conspired with who? Not a shred of evidence exists that Oswald conspired with anyone. Posners book spends a large number of pages fleshing out just who Oswald was. He was a maladjusted nut, and he was like that his entire life. One of the points that Posner makes is that Oswald was so unstable that no one would want to conspire with him.
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