Neo-professional Manager Game 2013

[Lupetto]

In its twelfth edition, the cycling4fans.de Neo-professional Manager Game once again invites all members of cyclingnews to join us. The only thing you have to do, is to choose ten riders from our nonbinding list, I attached to this thread. It is possible, that this list will be modified once more. All riders on this list have signed their first contract with a PRT or PROF team. If you pick a non-neo-rider, this cyclist will be deleted from your team.

You can give your team a name, if you like and send it via PM to me.

Deadline: 13.01.2013, 23:59 (CET).

The List

Accent - Wanty
DE TROYER Tim BEL
JANS Roy BEL
VERRAES Benjamin BEL

Ag2r - La Mondiale
BAGDONAS Gediminas LTU
DOMONT Axel FRA
KERN Julian GER

Androni Giocattoli - Venezuela
DI SERAFINO Matteo ITA
FACCHINI Patrick ITA
MALAGUTI Alessandro ITA
ROSA Diego ITA

Argos - Shimano
AHLSTRAND Jonas SWE
ARNDT Nikias GER
BARGUIL Warren FRA
JANSE VAN RENSBURG Reinhardt SAF
MEZGEC Luka SLO

Astana
HUFFMAN Evan USA
KAMYSHEV Arman KAZ
LUTSENKO Alexey KAZ
TLEUBAYEV Ruslan KAZ

Bardiani - CSF Inox
BARBIN Enrico ITA
BOEM Nicola ITA
BONGIORNO Francesco Manuel ITA
DE IESO Donato ITA
ZARDINI Edoardo ITA

Blanco - Giant
GOOS Marc NED
HOFLAND Moreno NED

BMC Racing Team
LANDER Sebastian DEN
WARBASSE Larry USA

Bretagne - Séché Environnement
CORBEL Erwann FRA
JARRIER Benoît FRA
KORETZKY Clément FRA
LE MONTAGNER Benjamin FRA
PERICHON Pierre-Luc FRA
SEPULVEDA Eduardo ARG

Caja Rural
FERNANDEZ ANDUJAR Ruben ESP
FRAILE MATARRANZ Omar ESP

Cannondale
KOCH Michel GER
KRIZEK Matthias AUT
MASUDA Nariyuki JAP

CCC Polsat
CERNY Josef CZE
GAWRONSKI Piotr POL
MIHAYLOV Nikolay BUL
NOWAK Mateusz POL
OWSIAN Lukasz POL
STEPNIAK Grzegorz POL

Champion System Pro Cycling Team
JANG Chan Jae KOR
NISHIZONO Ryota JAP
SCHNAIDT Fabian GER

Cofidis Solutions Crédits
BESCOND Jérémy FRA
JOEAAR Gert EST

Colombia - Coldeportes
ARANGO CARVAJAL Juan Esteban COL
AVILA VANEGAS Edwin Alcibiades COL
CAMACHO BERNAL Julio Alexis COL
QUINTERO ARTUNDUAGA Duber Armando COL
VALENCIA GONZALEZ Juan Pablo COL

Europcar
BERHANE TEWELDEMEDHIN Natnael ERI
COQUARD Bryan FRA
LAMOISSON Morgan FRA

Euskaltel
ABERASTURI IZAGA Jon ESP
CHAOUFI Tarik TUN
MESTRE Ricardo Jorge Correia POR
TAMOURIDIS Ioannis GRE
VRECER Robert SLO

FDJ
VIENNET Emilien FRA

Garmin - Sharp
DENNIS Rohan AUS
MORTON Lachlan AUS
VON HOFF Steele AUS

IAM Cycling
AREGGER Marcel SUI
FUMEAUX Jonathan SUI
LANG Pirmin SUI
REICHENBACH Sébastien SUI
SCHELLING Patrick SUI

Katusha Team
CHERNETSKIY Sergey RUS
KUZNETSOV Vyacheslav RUS
VOROBYEV Anton RUS

Lampre - Merida
CATTANEO Mattia ITA
DODI Luca ITA
DURASEK Kristijan CRO
PALINI Andrea ITA
WACKERMANN Luca ITA

Landbouwkrediet - Crelan
PREMONT Christophe BEL
STEELS Stijn BEL
SYS Klaas BEL

Movistar Team
OSPINA HERNANDEZ Argiro Alonso COL

MTN - Qhubeka
DEBESAY ABRHA Freqalsi ERI
GEBREMARIAM GRMAY Tsgabu ETH
JANSE VAN RENSBURG Jacques RSA
JIM Songezo RSA
MEINTJES Louis RSA
NIYONSHUTI Adrien RWA
POTGIETER Bradley RSA
REGUIGUI Youcef ALG
RUSSOM ALEM Meron ERI
SBARAGLI Kristian ITA
TEWELDE WELDEGABER Jani RSA
VAN NIEKERK Dennis RSA
VAN ZYL Johann RSA
WESEMANN Martin RSA

OmegaPharma - Quick Step
VERONA QUINTANILLA Carlos ESP

Radioshack - Trek
JUNGELS Bob LUX

RusVelo
BOEV Igor RUS
KOCHETKOV Pavel RUS
MAIKIN Roman RUS
POMOSHNIKOV Sergei RUS
RYBAKOV Alexander RUS
SOLOMENNIKOV Andrey RUS
TATARINOV Gennadiy RUS
ZAKARIN Ilnur RUS

Saxo - Tinkoff
MCCARTHY Jay AUS

Sky Professional Cycling Team
BOSWELL Ian USA
DOMBROWSKI Joseph Lloyd USA
EDMONDSON Joshua GBR
TIERNAN-LOCKE Jonathan GBR

Sojasun
DANIEL Maxime FRA
SCHMIDT Fabien FRA
SISKEVICIUS Evaldas LTU
VUILLERMOZ Alexis FRA

Team NetApp - Endura
DEMPSTER Zakkari AUS
MATZKA Ralf GER
MCEVOY Jonathan GBR
ROWSELL Erick GBR
THWAITES Scott GBR
WETTERHALL Alexander SWE

Team Novo Nordisk - Type 1
CIACCHINI Andrea ITA
CLANCY Stephen IRL
CRAVANZOLA Paolo ITA
DEMESMAEKER Kevin BEL
HENTTALA Joonas FIN
LOZANO RIBA David ESP
MORRIS Justin AUS
PERON Andrea ITA
PERRY Aaron NZL
RAEYMAEKERS Thomas BEL
RUSSELL Branden USA
STELKOV Andrei RUS
WILLIAMS Christopher AUS

Topsport Vlaanderen - Baloise
DE BUYST Jasper BEL
HELVEN Sander BEL
LAMPAERT Yves BEL
SPRENGERS Thomas BEL
VANBILSEN Kenneth BEL

UnitedHealthcare Pro Cycling
IRVINE Martyn IRL
KEOUGH Luke USA
SUMMERHILL Daniel USA

Vacansoleil - DCM
KREDER Wesley NED
VAN POPPEL Danny NED
WAUTERS Willem BEL

Vini Fantini - Selle Italia
CARRETERO MARCIAQ Ramon PAN
MILETTA Luigi ITA
POLJANSKI Pawel ITA
POZZO Mattia ITA
SANO Junya JAP

 

[jsem94]

So, I just pick ten riders, and this is about which team gets the most CQ points by the end of the season? No limit on price?

 

[the asian]

How do you score points?

 

[Bye Bye Bicycle]

So, I just pick ten riders, and this is about which team gets the most CQ points by the end of the season? No limit on price?

You just pick ten of them. No price limits.

Points are not calculated by CQ but by the private point scheme of another C4F member (which is quite similar). Points can be obtained in all UCI elite races, but not in UCI U23 races.

 

[Lupetto]

So, I just pick ten riders, and this is about which team gets the most CQ points by the end of the season? No limit on price?

There is a point scale.

One Day Races

Monument
1 90
2 81
3 72
4 63
5 54
6 45
7 40,5
8 36
9 31,5
10 27
11 22,5
12 18
13 13,5
14 9
15 4,5

World Tour Race
1 80
2 72
3 64
4 56
5 48
6 40
7 36
8 32
9 28
10 24
11 20
12 16
13 12
14 8
15 4

1.HC
1 60
2 54
3 48
4 42
5 36
6 30
7 24
8 18
9 12
10 6


1.1
1 45
2 40,5
3 36
4 31,5
5 27
6 22,5
7 18
8 13,5
9 9
10 4,5


1.2
1 20
2 15
3 12
4 10,5
5 9
6 7,5
7 6
8 4,5
9 3
10 1,5

World Championship
1 120
2 108
3 96
4 84
5 72
6 60
7 54
8 48
9 42
10 36
11 30
12 24
13 18
14 12
15 6


Stage Races Overall

Tour de France
1 200
2 180
3 160
4 140
5 120
6 100
7 90
8 80
9 70
10 60
11 50
12 40
13 30
14 20
15 10

Giro & Vuelta
1 150
2 135
3 120
4 105
5 90
6 75
7 67,5
8 60
9 52,5
10 45
11 37,5
12 30
13 22,5
14 15
15 7,5

World Tour
1 90
2 81
3 72
4 63
5 54
6 45
7 40,5
8 36
9 31,5
10 27
11 22,5
12 18
13 13,5
14 9
15 4,5

2.HC
1 60
2 54
3 48
4 42
5 36
6 30
7 24
8 18
9 12
10 6

2.1
1 45
2 40,5
3 36
4 31,5
5 27
6 22,5
7 18
8 13,5
9 9
10 4,5

2.2
1 20
2 15
3 12
4 10,5
5 9
6 7,5
7 6
8 4,5
9 3
10 1,5


Stage Races Stages

Tour de France
1 50
2 30
3 20
4 17
5 14
6 12
7 10
8 8
9 6
10 4

Giro & Vuelta
1 40
2 30
3 20
4 17
5 14
6 12
7 10
8 8
9 6
10 4

World Tour
1 30
2 20
3 17
4 15
5 13
6 11
7 9
8 7
9 5
10 3

2.HC
1 20
2 15
3 10
4 8
5 6
6 5
7 4
8 3
9 2
10 1

2.1
1 15
2 10
3 8
4 6
5 4
6 3
7 2
8 1,5
9 1
10 0,5

2.2
1 10
2 5
3 2
4 1
5 0,5

Plus points for the leaders jersey.


Special Points

Track/Cross/Mtb World Championship = 1.1
U23 Road Race World Championship = 1.HC
U23 ITT World Championship = 1.1
Other U23 World Championship = 1.2

 

[Bye Bye Bicycle]

How do you score points?

By your riders bringing in good results.

Here's the thread to last year's game: http://www.cycling4fans.de/forum/thread.php?threadid=25354&hilight=neo

Gives you an good idea on the game and the possible outcome. Updates on riders scoring points are constantly posted in this thread: http://www.cycling4fans.de/forum/thread.php?threadid=12549

 

[jsem94]

Seems fun. Some VERY obvious picks in this field though.

 

[Kazistuta]

You are missing Lottos team?

 

[Bye Bye Bicycle]

You are missing Lottos team?

Lotto doesn't have any neos this year. Remember that in this game (and in any logical sense) "Neo" only means first-year pro.

 

[Tuarts]

So is it set and forget? You pick you riders and then that's it over the year, you don't change your team?

 

[Hugo Koblet]

Cool, I'm definitely in. Just need to cut three riders down to two and I've got my team ready.

 

[Bye Bye Bicycle]

I wouldn't describe it so negatively. The joy of the game is to predict good results and performances, not reacting to them. And to follow "your" neos throughout the season.

What happens if you include mid-season changes? All suddenly pick the same successful riders and get rid of underperformers - so all teams look the same then. That's why changes make no sense here.

Look at last year's top ten of riders:

1 Moreno MOSER 555.5
2 Sergio Luis HENAO MONTOYA 535
3 Arnaud DEMARE 533.5
4 Alexander SEREBRYAKOV 351.5
5 Sergey FIRSANOV 303.5
6 Luke DURBRIDGE 290
7 Andrew FENN 235
8 Jonathan CANTWELL 166
9 Wilco KELDERMAN 162.5
10 Dmitriy GRUZDEV 160.5

Some obvious names like Henao and Demare but also guys like Gruzdev and Serebryakov no one ever expected to perform that well. There have been years where the winning team included 8/10 sprinters, 2012 saw only four of them in the best rider list. So it's about finding a balance between stage race guys, sprinters and allrounders - and in the end it's all about the points gained.

It's really fun, believe me. Unless you have a crappy team like me last year (Grischa Janorschke, anyone? ).

 

[Tuarts]

I wouldn't describe it so negatively. The joy of the game is to predict good results and performances, not reacting to them. And to follow "your" neos throughout the season.

What happens if you include mid-season changes? All suddenly pick the same successful riders and get rid of underperformers - so all teams look the same then. That's why changes make no sense here.

Look at last year's top ten of riders:

1 Moreno MOSER 555.5
2 Sergio Luis HENAO MONTOYA 535
3 Arnaud DEMARE 533.5
4 Alexander SEREBRYAKOV 351.5
5 Sergey FIRSANOV 303.5
6 Luke DURBRIDGE 290
7 Andrew FENN 235
8 Jonathan CANTWELL 166
9 Wilco KELDERMAN 162.5
10 Dmitriy GRUZDEV 160.5

Some obvious names like Henao and Demare but also guys like Gruzdev and Serebryakov no one ever expected to perform that well. There have been years where the winning team included 8/10 sprinters, 2012 saw only four of them in the best rider list. So it's about finding a balance between stage race guys, sprinters and allrounders - and in the end it's all about the points gained.

It's really fun, believe me. Unless you have a crappy team like me last year (Grischa Janorschke, anyone? ).

I think you misunderstood me, I'm trying to understand the game mechanics, not make a judgement that it should include this or that.

 

[DJ Sprtsch]

I'm in! Have now picked all the riders not in my CQmanager game. Great.

 

[jsem94]

Wow, totally forgot about Janorschke in the regular CQ game..

 

[Hugo Koblet]

Wow, totally forgot about Janorschke in the regular CQ game..

What was wrong with him last year anyway? He was the one who crashed into Van Keirsbulck in Arenberg

 

[Kazistuta]

Lotto doesn't have any neos this year. Remember that in this game (and in any logical sense) "Neo" only means first-year pro.

Hmmm...I thought Wellens was only stagiare at Lotto last year - he would have been a given on my team

 

[The Hitch]

Since its neo pros this is purely theoretical of course, but the point system says that if you win the giro you get less points than if you come 3rd in the tour. Ughh.

 

[Bye Bye Bicycle]

Tim Wellens got a regular pro contract with Lotto last year already, same with Aru at Astana and Lammertink at Vacansoleil. So he's not eligible here.

Janorschke crashed throughout 2012 and was never able to get into something like form. And NetApp is well known for radically slashing injured neos (Keinath, Hesselbarth).

The points schedule is quite fair I must say. However some say that it tends to slightly prefer sprinters - just like I do.

 

[Ruudz0r]

Missing a few guys

SKY
Joshua Edmondson

Team Net-App Endura
DEMSTER, Zakkari
MCEVOY, Jonathan
ROWSELL, Erick
THWAITES, Scott
WETTERHALL, Alexander

+ Im in already send the PM with my names !

 

[Lupetto]

14 teams at the moment.

Let's go for 30!

 

[Lupetto]

Missing a few guys

SKY
Joshua Edmondson

Team Net-App Endura
DEMSTER, Zakkari
MCEVOY, Jonathan
ROWSELL, Erick
THWAITES, Scott
WETTERHALL, Alexander

Yes. You are right.

 

[Lupetto]

Deadline is tomorrow. 17 PM's so far. Go for it.

 

[Hugo Koblet]

Deadline is tomorrow. 17 PM's so far. Go for it.

I can't make up my mind!

 

[Afrank]

I can't make up my mind!

Just pick the guys you like the most, that's what I did.