New SRAM

[Parera]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/sram-red-groupset-2013-details-leaked

Sounds like more junk. Sure it will give some dorks boners because of the weight but at this point it's hardly surprising this is what they will offer.

 

[Boeing]

I am not surprised it leaked. This is all the roadies had to talk about at Euro SRAM Ride camp.

exactly how does it SOUD like more junk mr web tech?

 

[BroDeal]

In pursuit of lower weight, flimsy, non-durable crap gets flimsier. Yay!!

 

[Boeing]

so your theory is enough to rationalize? so its about you? really

 

[MavicMoto]

Man... that is light!

How did they get another half a pound from the already lowest weight gruppo?
Hints of 250 fewer grams from an already sub-2000gm group is amazing!

And the fix for the front derr will be nice.
I predict a cable-operated hydraulic road discs. Easier to install.

 

[ElChingon]

Weight, smeight, as long as they made it work better it should be good. Funny they mentioned the front derailure as to of had issues (insert Andy dropping his chain at le Tour '10 for the Nth time) at least now they're admitting it, so where's the droves of people saying there was no problem

As for the more ergonomic shifters (aka brifters) Mavic did it first back in '99 with the Mektronic, too bad it took everyone else 10 years to follow suit.

 

[Bustedknuckle]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/sram-red-groupset-2013-details-leaked

Sounds like more junk. Sure it will give some dorks boners because of the weight but at this point it's hardly surprising this is what they will offer.

With shimano and Campagnolo in one 'camp' and sram in the other, they seem like the odd group out. Glad they finally figured out the FD action was crap, too bad it took them 3 years. BUT Campag shaped levers, Campag like hollow crank(Campagnolo has had that for about a decade)...more red/black/yellow frogs. Doubt they will be able to fit a Hydro reservoir in mechanical levers, mechanical discs have been around for a while.

AND more expensive.

pass

 

[42x16ss]

In pursuit of lower weight, flimsy, non-durable crap gets flimsier. Yay!!

Why SRAM!?!?! Instead of addressing the main issue with their road groupsets (durability) they are going to try and remove more weight. Even Tri-Geeks and Weight Weenies will only persist with overly light, flimsy components for so long...

Bridge the gap to Shimano and Campag first, THEN worry about getting ahead in terms of innovation. Still, the FD sounds like a small step in the right direction.

 

[RDV4ROUBAIX]

I actually liked double tap shifting when I had a RED group last year for a whole 3 months, too bad everything else around it sucks The article isn't enough persuasion to go back either.

 

[funnytanlines]

leaked? really? they made a bloody video!

the new cassette based on the mtb xx cassette is probably the most best thing here. the price will be justifiable only to weight weenies, though.

funny how they added a bigger knob the hoods. sram used to say how great and ergonomic their flat hoods were, but then just about everyone i've seen using them, myself included, had to tilt them up because it felt like you were going to slip off them.

 

[Parera]

I am not surprised it leaked. This is all the roadies had to talk about at Euro SRAM Ride camp.

exactly how does it SOUD like more junk mr web tech?

Reduced weight on an already light group.

AND

A cassette with a price that will likely make everyone laugh their a$$ off while still being noisy. Not a fan of the XX MTB cassette, FWIW.

 

[BroDeal]

so your theory is enough to rationalize? so its about you? really

Another quality post, boring.

"If rubbin' frozen dirt in your crotch is wrong, hey, I don't wanna be right." Words of wisdom to live by.

 

[dsut4392]

How did they get another half a pound from the already lowest weight gruppo?
Hints of 250 fewer grams from an already sub-2000gm group is amazing!

And the fix for the front derr will be nice.
I predict a cable-operated hydraulic road discs. Easier to install.

Please no on the cable operated hydros. Why compromise every day performance to save a couple of minutes once at installation, if at all? (Most brakes are supplied pre-bled and only the truly finicky 'need' to trim the hoses. Unless you need to trim and bleed, installing hydraulic discs is arguably quicker than cable operated discs or caliper rim brakes).

Routine maintenance afterwards is zilch. The only time I've needed to bleed my Avid hydros in nearlt 5 years of solid use was due to user error - I was checking for the source of an awful screech (turned out to be brass-on steel), had removed the wheel and thoughtlessly squeezed the brake lever after I had removed the pads, thereby popping one of the pistons right out. Unfortunately with about 300 vertical metres of descent on technical singletrack to get home - sketchy with no rear brake whatsoever

 

[RDV4ROUBAIX]

How did they get another half a pound from the already lowest weight gruppo?
Hints of 250 fewer grams from an already sub-2000gm group is amazing!

And the fix for the front derr will be nice.
I predict a cable-operated hydraulic road discs. Easier to install.

Wow! Yeah, break out the champagne, a whole 250g grams off a group that most who know wouldn't touch the crap. Pffft, joker.

 

[dsut4392]

Doubt they will be able to fit a Hydro reservoir in mechanical levers

Are you being tongue-in-cheek?

Why doubt if it's possible when you've probably already held it in your own hands?

Sure, it's an MTB lever, but I can think of a couple of functional if ugly ways of reconfiguring that as a road lever which shouldn't adversely compromise ergonomics.

I'd be disappointed to see hydraulic braking finally come to the road if it's only for those who also want electronic shifting.

 

[Parera]

"Actually, I have it on good authority that all of this technology will only trickle up. Given the success of "halo bikes," manufacturers are increasingly learning to focus on the 1% instead of the 99%. That's why the 2014 model year will see an even more expensive version of SRAM Red branded as "SRAM Fred." While completely identical to Red, it will be wildly more expensive--and don't worry, it will be completely trim-free, though it will certainly cause your fellow Freds to sprout pronounced knobs in their Assos when you roll up to the café with it."

- bike snob NYC

Funniest thing I've read all week.

 

[FignonLeGrand]

Interesting to read so many posts about the quality of SRAM, ill be honest I dont think anyone gets near Campag for quality/longevity. Shimano is great and technically excellent, although all their front derailleurs seem to have flaky chrome. Is SRAM road as bad a1s you make out, I have it on my mountain bike and tbh quality wise it seems to suck big time. Light cos it looks like pressed aluminium. Are the road groups as bad?

ps Find the comments on the front mech changing funny, I was playing with one of my Campag C Record bikes the other day, its from 1989 and there couldnt be a sweeter changing front mech. Im starting to sound old but this modern day, save every gram focus definitely has impacted quality and operatin of many bike parts.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

I haven't had any problems with the SRAM Red group ever since I threw away the cables and replaced them with Yokozuna Reaction. I don't use the Red cassette either. As for the rest, I have had perfect shifting. Brakes are very average too.

It's a nice kit, somewhere around Centaur level. Campy's top 3 groups are in an entirely different category.

 

[Benotti69]

ScRam is so good Radiosmack are not using it this year to give other ScRam users a head start.

 

[42x16ss]

"Actually, I have it on good authority that all of this technology will only trickle up. Given the success of "halo bikes," manufacturers are increasingly learning to focus on the 1% instead of the 99%. That's why the 2014 model year will see an even more expensive version of SRAM Red branded as "SRAM Fred." While completely identical to Red, it will be wildly more expensive--and don't worry, it will be completely trim-free, though it will certainly cause your fellow Freds to sprout pronounced knobs in their Assos when you roll up to the café with it."

- bike snob NYC

Funniest thing I've read all week.

That's awesome! Always get a good laugh from Bike Snob

The best part is trickle-up tech is already happening. If you don't agree, then go to your nearest Cannondale dealer and sit a CAAD 10 and a Super Six EVO side by side.

 

[Boeing]

Another quality post, boring.

"If rubbin' frozen dirt in your crotch is wrong, hey, I don't wanna be right." Words of wisdom to live by.

a sample survey of 1 is logic in your world according to you. words to rub to (pun intended

 

[Boeing]

looks like the new levers in this pic.

for what it is worth

and I see the reasoning behind all the hate now

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

After years of research, SRAM has arrived where Campy was 25 years ago.

 

[Race Radio]

After years of research, SRAM has arrived where Campy was 25 years ago.

Too be fair that 'research" was focused more on which Chinese prison had the cheapest workforce, not how to design the best stuff

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Too be fair that 'research" was focused more on which Chinese prison had the cheapest workforce, not how to design the best stuff

All they had to do was ask Apple.

Seriously though, those shifters look flimsy, not to mention ugly.