New test for blood transfusion - can trace people using their own blood!

[Walkman]

For those of you who watched the 2007 Tour de France maybe remember there were reports coming from Sweden that scientist from Umeå was working on a test to detect blood doping even thought the athletes were using their own blood. Now it seems that their work has paid off and they are hoping to have a working test in use within 3 years.

"Can trace transfusion up to 3-4 weeks after injection."
"Has been 100% accurate in testing."

http://www.svt.se/sport/unik-svensk-metod-ska-stoppa-bloddopning

 

[Netserk]

When (if) it'll get approved, my guess is that a grand total of 0 tests will be re-tested with this method.

 

[Briant_Gumble]

1) This would be huge, at least until the dopers come up with something new.

2) How soon can they test Lance the comeback (j/k).

 

[Benotti69]

1) This would be huge, at least until the dopers come up with something new.

2) How soon can they test Lance the comeback (j/k).

3) How soon can they retest every blood sample they have?

Lets see Cookson show some real anti doping balls.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

100% accuracy sounds incredible. Too good to be true, almost...

 

[Red Lobster]

Yay science ... but still three years away

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Yay science ... but still three years away

Plenty of time to:
* combat the tech
* accidentally lose some samples
* accidentally contaminate some samples
* etc

 

[The Hitch]

There is a test to see if the test really is 100% accurate. It's called - does froome test positive.

 

[burning]

Making this statement public is somewhat wrong in my opinion, there is surely plenty of time to adjust stuff against this test.

 

[Walkman]

Making this statement public is somewhat wrong in my opinion, there is surely plenty of time to adjust stuff against this test.

Indeed. Should be kept hidden until they have a working test and then go blitzkrieg on all the cheater.

Although,I am just hoping for retesting of A LOT of tests. Want to see Evans put to the test. Don't get me wrong, he is my favorite, but his 2007 Tour de France showing was almost too good.

 

[EnacheV]

nice, this mean froome will win this year tour even more easily

 

[burning]

Indeed. Should be kept hidden until they have a working test and then go blitzkrieg on all the cheater.

Although,I am just hoping for retesting of A LOT of tests. Want to see Evans put to the test. Don't get me wrong, he is my favorite, but his 2007 Tour de France showing was almost too good.

Care to guess first clean guy in that Tour?

 

[the sceptic]

There is a test to see if the test really is 100% accurate. It's called - does froome test positive.

Froome will never test positive as long as they got their man as UCI president.

 

[EnacheV]

Froome will never test positive as long as they got their man as UCI president.

damn, by same thinking there should be 10 irish tdf winners in pat's era. brilliant logic, gz.

 

[Nicko.]

1 It's not clear if ONE sample is enough or if it has to contrast a 'non-reinfused' sample
2 Even if it won't make it to a stand-alone, approved pass/fail test, maybe it can be combined with the BP?
Positive reinfusion test -> 'BP window' widens to 99.0% (instead of 99.9999999%)
3 Keep it completely secret - use it only as a tool/indicator for BP targeting (take samples every day until the BP turns 'positive')

 

[The Hitch]

damn, by same thinking there should be 10 irish tdf winners in pat's era. brilliant logic, gz.

major logic fail . By that thinking there should be 0 irish positives, since he said the UCI Pres would cover up positives. He never said the UCI Pres would win the TDF for their compatriots, you invented that bit up yourself.

Speaking of which, how many Irish positives were there in the past era?

 

[DirtyWorks]

"Can trace transfusion up to 3-4 weeks after injection."
"Has been 100% accurate in testing."

http://www.svt.se/sport/unik-svensk-metod-ska-stoppa-bloddopning

Thanks for posting this. We'll put this one next to the last anti-doping test that dramatically improved catching cheats and actually ended up with no additional sanctions.

Just to make it clear, there isn't a 100% accurate test.
-true positive
-false postive
-false negative
-true negative
-"Suspicious" (presence of doping artifacts, but not alot. Not a positive.)


Best case scenario, you have to give WADA some time to ratify the test and labs to acquire and be trained for the test. Doping will be dialed back by the sophisticated doper during this time because all of WADA's proceedings are public. Later on, will any anti-doping authorities pay for the new test??

Does anyone know how much will the test cost?

 

[Nicko.]

ddouble ppost

 

[Race Radio]

3) How soon can they retest every blood sample they have?

Lets see Cookson show some real anti doping balls.

I doubt you can re-test any samples. The test is based on the effect freezing has on blood cells. As most samples would be frozen for storage I can see any retro testing.....which is why Lance has been so vocal that he will be "First in line"

 

[Dr. Maserati]

100% accuracy sounds incredible. Too good to be true, almost...

The piece said "100% safe", not accurate - but I must admit, I thought accurate at first - which shows that it was rather confusing and short on details.

And its 3 years away - hmmmm.

 

[Nicko.]

The piece said "100% safe", not accurate - but I must admit, I thought accurate at first - which shows that it was rather confusing and short on details.

And its 3 years away - hmmmm.

If you based that off Google Translate, it came out wrong.
It should read "100% sure", not "safe".

 

[Netserk]

The piece said "100% safe", not accurate - but I must admit, I thought accurate at first - which shows that it was rather confusing and short on details.

And its 3 years away - hmmmm.

– Ja, de forskningspersoner som vi dopat så är det 100 procent säkert och vi kan spåra blodtransfusionerna tre-fyra veckor bak i tiden, säger Christer Malm.

Now your Swedish may be better than mine, but I get that to mean "100% certain", instead of "100% safe"

 

[Walkman]

– Ja, de forskningspersoner som vi dopat så är det 100 procent säkert och vi kan spåra blodtransfusionerna tre-fyra veckor bak i tiden, säger Christer Malm.

Now your Swedish may be better than mine, but I get that to mean "100% certain", instead of "100% safe"

100 precent certain is what he is saying. Which is way I said accurate. 100% of the people they doped has been tested positive with this test. Of course, this is only in testing and they are validating the test right now.

 

[Walkman]

I doubt you can re-test any samples. The test is based on the effect freezing has on blood cells. As most samples would be frozen for storage I can see any retro testing.....which is why Lance has been so vocal that he will be "First in line"

Yes, this is what I fear. Although the report was hardly comprehensive so unless you have some more informations about the test I am still hoping!

 

[Nicko.]

– Ja, de forskningspersoner som vi dopat så är det 100 procent säkert och vi kan spåra blodtransfusionerna tre-fyra veckor bak i tiden, säger Christer Malm.

Now your Swedish may be better than mine, but I get that to mean "100% certain", instead of "100% safe"

Yeah, "sure" and "safe" is the same word in swedish and you migth sometimes need a swede to be "certain".