Nibali : i'm a symbol of a clean sport

[42x16ss]

Re: Re:

The discussion reminds me of this quote:

"If you’re a cheat, you're a cheat, you're not half a cheat. You wouldn't say, 'I'll cheat here but I'm not going to cheat over there; I'll cheat on a Monday but not on a Tuesday.'

To be sure, I'am not all all using it as evidence just stating that I thought of the quote.

Could there be some truth in it?
Maybe in some cases -but it is not something I would call an universal truth.

Cycling is known for the "they all do/did it" discourse.

I wonder how riders perceive this kind of cheating as opposed to doping.

Maybe they feel the same way about it..

That's a question any good journalist would ask first thing.

My guess is that many riders would use the "it happens all the time" excuse to justify holding onto a car or bottle for too long (as a way to show that it isn't giving them and advantage and thus isn't cheating) just as it has been used to justify doping in the past.

It also comes back to when and why. Nibali was working with a large group to get back on after the crash. The team car gave him a big advantage over the rest of the chasers who were also working hard.

If Nibali was trying to chase back on after a mechanical, or was getting bottles then you can be certain that the rest of the peleton wouldn't have batted an eyelid.

 

[OldCranky]

Tinkov just called out Martinelli on Twitter

https://twitter.com/olegtinkov/status/635570107725516800

Oleg Tinkov
‏@olegtinkov
Martinelli, not Nibali should be disqualified from Vuelta and even cycling. He is a cheater from past and grey cycling times


I mean we know what Hamilton has said about him but at least someone is calling out Astana management for their past

lol! Oleg, I love you! Please don't ever change!

Nibali got what he deserved.

Tinkov cracks me up on one level, he's basically a Bond villan.

Michele Zaccheo ‏@244dd642a66348f Aug 23
@olegtinkov Martinelli is a talented sporting director, and has won three Tour de France. But, one it was taken to Alberto Contador? Know?

Oleg Tinkov ‏@olegtinkov Aug 23 Forte dei Marmi, Toscana
@244dd642a66348f he is talented cheater and a very shallow and cheap

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Re: Re:

The discussion reminds me of this quote:

"If you’re a cheat, you're a cheat, you're not half a cheat. You wouldn't say, 'I'll cheat here but I'm not going to cheat over there; I'll cheat on a Monday but not on a Tuesday.'

To be sure, I'am not all all using it as evidence just stating that I thought of the quote.

Could there be some truth in it?
Maybe in some cases -but it is not something I would call an universal truth.

Cycling is known for the "they all do/did it" discourse.

I wonder how riders perceive this kind of cheating as opposed to doping.

Maybe they feel the same way about it..

That's a question any good journalist would ask first thing.

My guess is that many riders would use the "it happens all the time" excuse to justify holding onto a car or bottle for too long (as a way to show that it isn't giving them and advantage and thus isn't cheating) just as it has been used to justify doping in the past.

It also comes back to when and why. Nibali was working with a large group to get back on after the crash. The team car gave him a big advantage over the rest of the chasers who were also working hard.

If Nibali was trying to chase back on after a mechanical, or was getting bottles then you can be certain that the rest of the peleton wouldn't have batted an eyelid.

I didn't see enough of a chase, but it looked to me Nibali was chasing back on and everyone else was trying as hard as they could to not get dropped.

 

[42x16ss]

Re: Re:

The discussion reminds me of this quote:

"If you’re a cheat, you're a cheat, you're not half a cheat. You wouldn't say, 'I'll cheat here but I'm not going to cheat over there; I'll cheat on a Monday but not on a Tuesday.'

To be sure, I'am not all all using it as evidence just stating that I thought of the quote.

Could there be some truth in it?
Maybe in some cases -but it is not something I would call an universal truth.

Cycling is known for the "they all do/did it" discourse.

I wonder how riders perceive this kind of cheating as opposed to doping.

Maybe they feel the same way about it..

That's a question any good journalist would ask first thing.

My guess is that many riders would use the "it happens all the time" excuse to justify holding onto a car or bottle for too long (as a way to show that it isn't giving them and advantage and thus isn't cheating) just as it has been used to justify doping in the past.

It also comes back to when and why. Nibali was working with a large group to get back on after the crash. The team car gave him a big advantage over the rest of the chasers who were also working hard.

If Nibali was trying to chase back on after a mechanical, or was getting bottles then you can be certain that the rest of the peleton wouldn't have batted an eyelid.

I didn't see enough of a chase, but it looked to me Nibali was chasing back on and everyone else was trying as hard as they could to not get dropped.

He was leading the chase, then rode away courtesy of the tow provided by the team car. Ridiculous, especially considering he's there to race for overall.

 

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Spotted while cruising Slowtwit for LOL material:

 

[Archibald]

Re:

Spotted while cruising Slowtwit for LOL material:

beat me to it. saw it on FB, so been trying to google a version that I could post here...

 

[Afrank]

Re:

Spotted while cruising Slowtwit for LOL material:

That's great!

Definitely a sure fire way to get those wins.

 

[dusty red roads]

courtesy of Mr Fiestina on twitter.

 

[hrotha]

Yeah, people be stealin' Aigor's stuff all over the place. Always try to look for the source of your funny pics, folks! Don't make it easy on the thieves.

 

[dusty red roads]

Love Aigor / Mr Fiestina! He totally deserves credit for his great humour!

 

[IndianCyclist]

How many times has Nibali done this before? Could some journalist ask him this question?

 

[RobbieCanuck]

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Spotted while cruising Slowtwit for LOL material:

That's great!

Definitely a sure fire way to get those wins.

Marginal gains personified!

 

[doperhopper]

Re: Re:

Spotted while cruising Slowtwit for LOL material:

That's great!

Definitely a sure fire way to get those wins.

Marginal gains personified!

That "Astana MOTORS" on the side window... advertising something from "bike doping" thread?

 

[del1962]

So DiLuca loses his defamation case against Nibali

The Court of Cassation ruled in a judgment issued on 20 September that Vincenzo Nibali did not defraud Danilo Di Luca and condemned the former Abruzzo runner to pay the costs of the proceedings.

The facts date back to the beginning of 2014 when Di Luca, interviewed by Le Iene, stated that "90% of cyclists are positive and it is impossible to get in the top ten of a great lap without a break."

Interviewed by La Gazzetta dello Sport, Vincenzo Nibali replied hard: "Danilo is on the fruit, so ... he does not know what to invent yet to earn four picks. I'm sorry to say this, it was a great teammate, but in recent times I just have to think that it has become a bit cranky. "

Di Luca denounced Nibali for aggravated defamation, the Gip of the Lodi Tribunal filed the case, but Abruzzo had appealed. Now the sentence of the Supreme Court puts the word "end" to the case

Translation from http://www.tuttobiciweb.it/index.php?page=news&cod=105252&tp=n

 

[ontheroad]

Nibali on Froome.

"I think that Sky is one of the best teams in the world and they are a team that always apply the rules 100 per cent. I find it difficult that Chris has gone over such a limit of what is allowed and it is difficult to understand and it is difficult to accept this," he said

Long live omerta!

Has anybody apart from Tony Martin even spoke out, the reaction tells you everything you need to know.

 

[DanielSong39]

Nibali on Froome.

"I think that Sky is one of the best teams in the world and they are a team that always apply the rules 100 per cent. I find it difficult that Chris has gone over such a limit of what is allowed and it is difficult to understand and it is difficult to accept this," he said

Long live omerta!

Has anybody apart from Tony Martin even spoke out, the reaction tells you everything you need to know.

Classic response from Nibali and I commend him for it.

It will also be difficult to accept his 5th Grand Tour win but I think he'll find a way to cope.

 

[movingtarget]

Nibali on Froome.

"I think that Sky is one of the best teams in the world and they are a team that always apply the rules 100 per cent. I find it difficult that Chris has gone over such a limit of what is allowed and it is difficult to understand and it is difficult to accept this," he said

Long live omerta!

Has anybody apart from Tony Martin even spoke out, the reaction tells you everything you need to know.

Classic response from Nibali and I commend him for it.

It will also be difficult to accept his 5th Grand Tour win but I think he'll find a way to cope.

Vino/Astana, Vino/T Mobile is all you need to know not to mention the races that looked like obvious collusion for cash which is old school of course. Martin seems like a drama queen simply because he is the only one who has voiced his outrage ! Bardet's response was more muted. Some riders have said Froome's result is bad for cycling but they seem to be careful not to criticize Froome himself.