Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[ChewbaccaD]

Confused, not wrong, thought you were referring to the much earlier post from back when we were still remotely on topic. No, I'm fine with how I put the request you're referring to. You're free to carry on rephrasing as you like, but that has nothing to do with me.

You spend days in the politics thread arguing for the non-universality of subjective experience as defined by "reality". Maybe get your concepts in order.

Maybe you need to understand the difference between opinion and reality. Maybe get a dictionary and take a class in reading comprehension. There is a marked difference between the fact that poor people are being harmed, and whether Lance Armstrong is an a$$hole or whether a person believes he has offended a subjectively defined term.

 

[aphronesis]

Maybe you need to understand the difference between opinion and reality. Maybe get a dictionary and take a class in reading comprehension.

Opinion shapes reality. And vice versa. Hence the the Armstrong story. The same world engenders and supports Armstrong being an ******* and poor people being harmed. I get it, you're comfortable with boxes and one word definitions.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Please, please, please stop. This is neither a logic, political, or philosophy forum. This business of subtly launching personal attacks needs to stop too.

Don't feed the wordy troll.

Ooooh, I'm "wordy"...COOL!!

 

[aphronesis]

as I see it, there is professional sport, and sport as a business, then we have the adolescent sport and juvenile competition, and ne'er the twain shall meet (in theory).

And there exists an invisible line (more a spectrum), or arbitrary position, where you go from AAA High School varsity, to NCAA division 1 (or an equivlent professional feeder route).

Pro sport is not your local rec league, and all the ideals, mores, culture and rules, taught in adolescence go by the wayside. Its basketball, but its not basketball. (hows that for incoherency and inscrutability). Effectively, the same sport is bifurcated, and changed, but looks the same.

how 'bout them apples of hypocrisy (allegations of incoherency of others)

re: Obama the tabula rasa. Well, he won the 2008 Advertising Industry award, p'raps, it is just pragmatism and realism in the cloak of ideals, and they were never ideals held. I dont reckon you can hold the top spot without checking them at the door

Then to "spirit" needs to be added the concept of "spectacle" and its impact and then that bifurcation is further clarified.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Opinion shapes reality. And vice versa. Hence the the Armstrong story.

Opinion shapes subjective reality, but not objective. That's the problem with Rush Limbaugh and fundamentalists everywhere, they don't understand the difference. Poor people not eating is not an opinion, it's objective. There is a marked difference between what I do in the politics thread, and what I do here.

 

[aphronesis]

Opinion shapes subjective reality, but not objective. That's the problem with Rush Limbaugh and fundamentalists everywhere, they don't understand the difference. Poor people not eating is not an opinion, it's objective. There is a marked difference between what I do in the politics thread, and what I do here.

Too bad; maybe there shouldn't be. Hence the histrionic abandonment of political thought. Poor people don't eat because of opinions that others hold as to how objective reality should be constructed.

Same as the opinions that bought hope and allowed Armstrong to be an *******. In the action of perceiving, purchasing and supporting comes an interface and dissolution of subjective and objective reality. They merge and transform.

You're arguing against Limbaugh and the fundies all the while naturalizing reality, the same as they do. That's not even nihiliistic or progressive, but merely oppositional and defeatist.

 

[blackcat]

Then to "spirit" needs to be added the concept of "spectacle" and its impact and then that bifurcation is further clarified.

on some meta level, made all the more poignant by the Superbowl half time antics

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Too bad; maybe there shouldn't be. Hence the histrionic abandonment of political thought. Poor people don't eat because of opinions that others hold as to how objective reality should be constructed.

Same as the opinions that bought hope and allowed Armstrong to be an *******. In the action of perceiving, purchasing and supporting comes an interface and dissolution of subjective and objective reality. They merge and transform.

You're arguing against Limbaugh and the fundies all the while naturalizing reality, the same as they do. That's not even nihiliistic or progressive, but merely oppositional and defeatist.

No, I'm not. I base my political actions on objective criteria (I want to work for legal aid because poor people need legal help) even when I argue subjectively about the issues surrounding it because I have and always will understand that my subjective opinions will change.

But I'm done with this. I honestly need to study Evidence because that subject eats my lunch every time.

Have a good day man.

 

[aphronesis]

No, I'm not. I base my political actions on objective criteria (I want to work for legal aid because poor people need legal help) even when I argue subjectively about the issues surrounding it because I have and always will understand that my subjective opinions will change.

But I'm done with this. I honestly need to study Evidence because that subject eats my lunch every time.

Have a good day man.

I get your distinction, but I think it's theory/praxis not subjective/objective. And different formations.


Yep, you too.

 

[krebs303]

 

[blackcat]

Too bad; maybe there shouldn't be. Hence the histrionic abandonment of political thought. Poor people don't eat because of opinions that others hold as to how objective reality should be constructed.

Same as the opinions that bought hope and allowed Armstrong to be an *******. In the action of perceiving, purchasing and supporting comes an interface and dissolution of subjective and objective reality. They merge and transform.

Lance Armstrong was always an a-hole. From the time he was Gunderson, til the day he races Ironman again. Its just that becoming a professional sportsman, and the cancer brand for America, gave Armstrong a bigger stage.

If the anecdote about him mom asking Lemond after he won the World champs in 93, how she could stem that status of his (a-hole). And the doping in teenage tri. (I dont have a value judgement on that, tho it seems i do, however, it does go to evidence on his future character).

Often, being an a-hole, cannot be divorced from being a great sportsman. (often*)

MJ,
Tiger,
A-Rod

numerous Australian examples I could add.

 

[blackcat]

greateast of all time, with no talent.

why, i'm chuffed. thankyou sir

 

[BroDeal]

Lance Armstrong was always an a-hole. From the time he was Gunderson, til the day he races Ironman again. Its just that becoming a professional sportsman, and the cancer brand for America, gave Armstrong a bigger stage.

If the anecdote about him mom asking Lemond after he won the World champs in 93, how she could stem that status of his (a-hole). And the doping in teenage tri. (I dont have a value judgement on that, tho it seems i do, however, it does go to evidence on his future character).

Often, being an a-hole, cannot be divorced from being a great sportsman. (often*)

MJ,
Tiger,
A-Rod

numerous Australian examples I could add.

This reminds me of something that Bill Murray once said about Chevy Chase. He said that when you get famous you turn into an a-hole. You cannot help it. It happens to everyone. If you don't pull out of it in two years then it's permanent.

Unfortunately for Armstrong he turned into an a-hole when he was very young, too young to even know that he was an a-hole. He was too immature to even think about trying to pull out of it, so here we are, thirty years later, and it really did turn out to be permanent.

 

[MarkvW]

This thread needs thehog. Free thehog.

Remove one species of bacteria from the gut and the digestion can go all to hell.

 

[MarkvW]

Yes, but now it's much more blatant. We're now at a point where Armstrong himself is offering his new narrative directly to the masses, with the full complicity of CN. All of this—in this particular case—under the guise of a "tribute" to a deceased doper of great fame.. . .

In the Redemption story arc, persistent haters play a valuable role.

 

[Race Radio]

Too bad; maybe there shouldn't be. Hence the histrionic abandonment of political thought. Poor people don't eat because of opinions that others hold as to how objective reality should be constructed.

Same as the opinions that bought hope and allowed Armstrong to be an *******. In the action of perceiving, purchasing and supporting comes an interface and dissolution of subjective and objective reality. They merge and transform.

You're arguing against Limbaugh and the fundies all the while naturalizing reality, the same as they do. That's not even nihiliistic or progressive, but merely oppositional and defeatist.

Could someone please translate this for us simple minded folks?

 

[MarkvW]

Could someone please translate this for us simple minded folks?

He's just saying that ChewbaccaD "thinks wrong," in his own obscurantist way.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Aphro strikes again.

The I-can't-be-bothered-with-details-as-I'm-a-big-picture-big-thinking-kinda-dude-even-though-I-can't-resist-commenting-on-the-minutiae-while-telling-anyone-who-will-listen-that-I'm-above-it-all.

True, it's a long nickname.

Hmm,
As the intent was to muck up the thread and talk about anything other than our Lance while attempting to hide basic trolling and baiting in a pretentious way, how about 'the high class hooker'?

 

[aphronesis]

He's just saying that ChewbaccaD "thinks wrong," in his own obscurantist way.

If that's what I were saying, he and I wouldn't have wasted a morning arguing.

Per what Bro and blackcat say above, the point being that at a certain moment (or several) Armstrong's asshollery became institutional and not just individual.

Doesn't make him blameless, but it means the machinery and nature took on a whole new dimension. Not just one of scale and conspiracy.

 

[BroDeal]

Could someone please translate this for us simple minded folks?

That would defeat the purpose. Basic rule of Academic Gibberish 701: If you write incomprehensibly then no one will call you on it for fear admitting that they did not understand it.

 

[horsinabout]

Too bad; maybe there shouldn't be. Hence the histrionic abandonment of political thought. Poor people don't eat because of opinions that others hold as to how objective reality should be constructed.

Poor people get shat on from a great height and left to fester.

Same as the opinions that bought hope and allowed Armstrong to be an *******. In the action of perceiving, purchasing and supporting comes an interface and dissolution of subjective and objective reality. They merge and transform.

Variously described personality disorders and pathologies notwithstanding, if you got all naysay members of the clinic and did a multiple of ten, you would still not amass enough balls to match that of Lance Armstrong and his great rival Marco Pantani. Like it or not, the sport made them. That cannot be changed and should not be changed. It is factual history, not to be refuted.

You're arguing against Limbaugh and the fundies all the while naturalizing reality, the same as they do. That's not even nihiliistic or progressive, but merely oppositional and defeatist.

Trolling feast.

http://youtu.be/J8MLiGvROyE

http://youtu.be/iIGmqrBR4xo

http://youtu.be/epBWsxxwdFE

Could someone please translate this for us simple minded folks?

 

[MarkvW]

Hmm,
As the intent was to muck up the thread and talk about anything other than our Lance while attempting to hide basic trolling and baiting in a pretentious way, how about 'the high class hooker'?

Mas: Go meta, as afro would suggest. Afro's being pulled toward ban-land by a master.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Mas: Go meta, as afro would suggest. Afro's being pulled toward ban-land by a master.

Nah, if they get banned its because they deserve it, they were asked by me if they wanted to continue the OT stuff, to do so in a new or appropriate thread.
That was refused but the OT continued.
It is what it is.

 

[Race Radio]

nature took on a whole new dimension.

Now you are going all Star Trek on me.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

He's just saying that ChewbaccaD "thinks wrong," in his own obscurantist way.

One of the most obvious conclusions in intertubes history.