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James M

James M

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YavorD said:
Pogacar himself never stopped WVA from winning a monument (or even any other big race for that matter). Even in RvV 2023 MVDP would likely be the winner.
You don't really need to make everything all about Pogacar when it's mostly Van der Poel stopping Van Aert in the big races.

Unless, of course, you mean that MVDP is the best cyclist in the world (which I doubt).
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noone is making it about Pogacar then im making it about MvdP in same post? How sensitive are you?

We was talking about this RVV and who he was up against so what are you on about, you dont think that matters for context if he dont win vs if he was about to face Kristoff or Terpstra in their era and prime? Ofc its relevant, and he gonne race em both this RVV so it matters and for context full picture it matters when people are trying to put Wout down on the merrit alone he hasnt won many monuments, as you say he mostly been up vs MvdP which are one of the best one day racers weve seen historically at least in recent times, - put him vs Terpstra and Kristoff in their era and prime and he would dominate much more and be even more appriciated.

It matters for context and big picture when ppl put him down for his monuments wins alone as its not that easy in itself and that Wout is special more so than his records in monuments necessarily says alone - nothing else.
 
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James M said:
This i agree on 100% with I was about to say he should! Just fxxx it and do bare minimum and honestly I would be surprised if that is not the case now, up against the person he is its understandable even for his status!
Just try to hold on for dear life, do zero job, wheelsuck and play the sprint card and that he has the best sprint, the history will forgive, they already signaled their cynical about it with MSR.

This approach im honestly expecting to some degree for him now, and he should. As I said something has to give
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When he doesn't wait for Mathieu to start the sprint. His MO too often is to let Mathieu get a jump and then fail to come around. He needs to dare to start the sprint, because that works best for him.
 
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James M said:
noone is making it about Pogacar then im making it about MvdP in same post? How sensitive are you?

We was talking about this RVV and who he was up against so what are you on about, you dont think that matters for context if he dont win vs if he was about to face Kristoff or Terpstra in their era and prime? Ofc its relevant, and he gonne race em both this RVV so it matters and for context full picture it matters when people are trying to put Wout down on the merrit alone he hasnt won many monuments, as you say he mostly been up vs MvdP which are one of the best one day racers weve seen historically at least in recent times, - put him vs Terpstra and Kristoff in their era and prime and he would dominate much more.

It matters for context and big picture when ppl put him down for his monuments wins alone as its not that easy in itself and that Wout is special more so than his records in monuments necessarily says alone - nothing else.
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Point being, you claimed that he's not winning big races because he's against "the best cyclist that has ever lived" which, unless you mean MVDP, is wrong. Just going by results, without Pogacar WVA would win the great GP Montreal.
Without VDP he'd have a RvV victory, WC and quite likely Paris-Roubaix .

And I'm not sensitive, I'm extremely critical to WVA but you tried to explain WVA's misfortune with Pogacar when even without Pogacar he would still have only 1 monument and no WCs.
 
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ChewbaccaDefense said:
When he doesn't wait for Mathieu to start the sprint. His MO too often is to let Mathieu get a jump and then fail to come around. He needs to dare to start the sprint, because that works best for him.
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I agree I think its very clear and obvious that Wout is better and have the edge in high speed sprints, MvdP deliberately tries to slow the speed as much down as possible before launch and start sprint at low speed for a reason, then its more even maybe even MvdP has the edge I dont know, maybe coinflip? And even more clear when its more than 2 man in the sprints as they usually tend to open earlier then but I dont think Wout does that mistake again if it should in a scenario be a 2 man sprint.

Anyway I clearly agree but its irrelevant as he has to be able to follow MvdP to sprint and as me and the other gent was saying he should just play that sprint card and do less work than he usually tends to do, its no shame in that.
MvdP likes it as hard as possible, theres no need to help him doing that, theres no shame in playing into your strenght.

For him hopefully he has learned from that and I believe he has and he wont do as much work this time around, at least thats what I expect now.
 
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James M said:
I agree I think its very clear and obvious that Wout is better and have the edge in high speed sprints, MvdP deliberately tries to slow the speed as much down as possible before launch and start sprint at low speed for a reason, then its more even maybe even MvdP has the edge I dont know, maybe coinflip? And even more clear when its more than 2 man in the sprints as they usually tend to open earlier then but I dont think WVa does that mistake again if it should in a scenario be a 2 man sprint.

Anyway I clearly agree but its irrelevant as he has to be able to follow MvdP to sprint and as me and the other gent was saying he should just play that sprint card and do less work than he usually tends to do, its no shame in that.
MvdP likes it as hard as possible, theres no need to help him doing that, theres no shame in playing into your strenght.

For him hopefully he has learned from that and I believe he has and he wont do as much work this time around, at least thats what I expect now.
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He already learned from his sprinting mistakes, E3 Harelbeke 2023 showed that
 
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He is getting his knee lasered

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Zo ziet geteisterde knie van Wout van Aert er nu uit, vier maanden na die zware val in Vuelta

Ruim vier maanden is het geleden, die zware valpartij van Wout van Aert (30) in de Vuelta. Een val waar hij nog steeds de (zichtbare) gevolgen van draagt. In een video op Instagram toont Van Aert hoe het uiterlijk met de knie gesteld is, terwijl het vele littekenweefsel wordt behandeld.
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saunaking said:
Wow, blew himself up so bad on the climb on the last lap and dusted by Nys.
Drops to 4th place but at least he doesn't have to appear on the podium and get fat-shamed
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Think if he didn't get serious!! I was thinking him being 15 bikes behind it was doomsday, but he just started picking guys off one at a time on laps 7 and 8, if they raced 9 laps he would have got it!! Nobody was very dirty for a change..
Wout is shaped like the Belgian Michelin Man!!
 
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Unchained said:
Think if he didn't get serious!! I was thinking him being 15 bikes behind it was doomsday, but he just started picking guys off one at a time on laps 7 and 8, if they raced 9 laps he would have got it!! Nobody was very dirty for a change..
Wout is shaped like the Belgian Michelin Man!!
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Not sure about that. He said " I already knew I was on the limit there, and it wasn't my day. I had to gamble on one acceleration in the last laps, but Thibau was better in the final lap "
 
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jono said:
Turns out staying on your bike is an important part of cycling, even in 'cross.
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Wout is a bit too eager and goes into panic mode when MvdP accelerates. Maybe he goes into the red which causes him to crash way too often. Visma needs to invest in a good sports psychologist for the team so that they can calm the racers down so they quit crashing so often.
 
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stonerider said:
Wout is a bit too eager and goes into panic mode when MvdP accelerates. Maybe he goes into the red which causes him to crash way too often. Visma needs to invest in a good sports psychologist for the team so that they can calm the racers down so they quit crashing so often.
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If he cannot follow Mathieu, the race is lost. That's probably why he gives it all trying hang on as long as possible.
 
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stonerider said:
Wout is a bit too eager and goes into panic mode when MvdP accelerates. Maybe he goes into the red which causes him to crash way too often. Visma needs to invest in a good sports psychologist for the team so that they can calm the racers down so they quit crashing so often.
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Yesterday MVDP hadn't even put in a real effort when Wout went all in. Mathieu was sitting in the wheel of Nieuwenhuis and looked content to do that for a few laps at least until Wout bridged up, attacked, and then crashed.
 
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