Pat , do the rules matter?

[bikepure]

Pat McQuaid, president of the UCI,
"The tester has to have a specific instruction that the athlete must remain under his supervision from the moment he is notified until the test is concluded.

"From my understanding, this was not the case. Lance Armstrong had every right to take a shower while his manager checked with the UCI that these people had the authority to take these samples.

Pat check the rules. the athlete must not leave the presence of the tester.... But it is Ok , cause he is your mate!
Problems start at the top!
So my question .Has the Bio passport (Mc Quaid's thing )produced ANY
results?

 

[bianchigirl]

Yes, what is going on with that? Parisotto, who was working on the scheme, said there were about 30 'positives', which was swiftly rebutted by McQuaid.

What goes on in Aigle reeks of corruption - strikes me the entire sport could do with some transparency and should start with getting rid of the old guard like McQuaid, Verbruggen's little lackey.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

It's a very tough situation. Vebruggen was completely worthless, and totally caved in and gave up on fighting doping, so when Pat came along and did something things seemed better. But Pat's filled with contradictions it seems. He'll say at one time that a hard line is necessary to root out the cheats. Then he'll turn around and make **** Pound level comments.

Very frustrating. When Pat finally retires we need a Teddy Roosevelt head of the UCI. Someone who speaks softly and carries a big stick.

 

[unsheath]

Isnt it great to have big ol' paddy watching your back. How team Armstrong got away with submitting 'Donations' to the UCI without it being a conflict of interest still baffles me.

 

[bianchigirl]

McQuaid is Verbruggen's puppet, nothing more, so he was never go to be serious about doping in the sport. Instead, his approach seems to have been to protect certain riders at all costs e.g. USDiscatana whilst sacrificing others - the pursuit of Iban Mayo and the several retests springs to mind.

Testing should be the responsibility of WADA and the national ADAs and sanctions should be handed out by an independent body. The UCI should stick to admin and handing out race licenses until they can find a leadership who are credible and transparent and who, most impoirtantly, let Anne Gripper do her job.

 

[BroDeal]

Isnt it great to have big ol' paddy watching your back. How team Armstrong got away with submitting 'Donations' to the UCI without it being a conflict of interest still baffles me.

The thing you really have to wonder about is how many other teams gave "donations." Were the teams that did not give donations targeted? Does that explain why Phonak's riders could hardly whiz in a cup and not have it come up positive and why Astana was targeted in 2007?

 

[unsheath]

Well that's the thing. How can you have any integrity as an organisation after accepting
donations from members of your constituency, the same members you are charged with 'testing' repeatedly for banned substances. Stinks to the core.

Sometimes I wish a well placed meteor may decend on UCI headquarters so we can start afresh. The UCI in it's current guise is a basketcase!!

 

[Anonymous]

didnt we already have a thread for this one, or maybe even two..
did we really need another..

 

[bikepure]

sorry, dimspace, missed the first ones.

http://mtbireland.com/bikepure.htm just for fun, if you hate doping

 

[Zoncolan]

sorry, dimspace, missed the first ones.

http://mtbireland.com/bikepure.htm just for fun, if you hate doping

He's just one of many. But we love to hate him, because he was always an *** + never showed any remorse for what he's done.
Hope they never, EVER, allow him to race the big races.
On the other hand, his would be a name you'd have to add to a list of top favorites for the Ardennes.

 

[BigBoat]

Wake Up! There is hardly any "anti doping" at all. What do you think Dr. Ferrari meant when he used "the fight against doping" in quotations?

Organizations just get better and better about lying. Come in and do a better job (dont be sloppy like Lance and US Postal were.) Use GPS, eat Burritos, and race "clean."

But dont submit your power files to an independent source, or do total blood volume testing. This will probably be a clean Tour with no major busts... Unless the police get involved. Doping has dissapeared for 6 months- 2 years. Do you REALLY think that all these track Velodrome records are coming down without doping? Ha!

Lance will be racing the Tour, and he'll probably win! His fan support on here admits his 99 samples were positive for epo, but its A=okay because everybody dopes!

Bring on the packed blood refills for 2009 Giro... NOTHING will be done about it either.

 

[Jarvis]

Wake Up! There is hardly any "anti doping" at all. What do you think Dr. Ferrari meant when he used "the fight against doping" in quotations?

Organizations just get better and better about lying. Come in and do a better job (dont be sloppy like Lance and US Postal were.) Use GPS, eat Burritos, and race "clean."

But dont submit your power files to an independent source, or do total blood volume testing. This will probably be a clean Tour with no major busts... Unless the police get involved. Doping has dissapeared for 6 months- 2 years. Do you REALLY think that all these track Velodrome records are coming down without doping? Ha!

Lance will be racing the Tour, and he'll probably win! His fan support on here admits his 99 samples were positive for epo, but its A=okay because everybody dopes!

Bring on the packed blood refills for 2009 Giro... NOTHING will be done about it either.

Man you're a lost cause. Think you'd best give up on cycling now and go and do something else

 

[Black Dog]

To the matter at hand...

If the tester did not inform Lance that he had to remain and then allowed him to shower there was no violation. No rider can be expected to know every detail of the rules. They must know the essentials in regards to reporting their whereabouts, and yes Lance would have been better served if he just waited. It is the responsibility of the tester to inform the athlete if they are about violate a rule. This is simple due diligence.

All political BS aside, this is a non issue unless you are the ALFD and are trying to do damage control for a botched test on a high profile rider.

 

[bianchigirl]

I think the dignified silence being kept by the AFLD as opposed to the spinning so swiftly it's making me dizzy onslaught of Armstrong (press releases, twitter and a video? He really is protesting a tad too much) really speaks volumes about whose having to do damage control.

 

[slowoldman]

I think the dignified silence being kept by the AFLD as opposed to the spinning so swiftly it's making me dizzy onslaught of Armstrong (press releases, twitter and a video? He really is protesting a tad too much) really speaks volumes about whose having to do damage control.

One could also argue that it would be ridiculously easy for the AFLD to refute the claims of Armstrong by producing the paperwork with notes from the tester about the irregularities. So playing devil's advocate here, I see the lack of response from the AFLD as a slight problem. If Armstrong were to remain silent the same people talking about his protestations would claim his guilt based on that silence.

 

[BigBoat]

If the tester did not inform Lance that he had to remain and then allowed him to shower there was no violation. No rider can be expected to know every detail of the rules. They must know the essentials in regards to reporting their whereabouts, and yes Lance would have been better served if he just waited. It is the responsibility of the tester to inform the athlete if they are about violate a rule. This is simple due diligence.

All political BS aside, this is a non issue unless you are the ALFD and are trying to do damage control for a botched test on a high profile rider.

It doesnt sound like it was botched though, it sounds like Bruneel did not open the door until the tester (French gov. AFLD employee) threatened to call the cops (gendarmes) too force their way in.

You know.... Sticking a 21 guage needle in your right arm and "training off" 2 units of blood into a blood bag and popping it into the fridge at 20 degrees is peanuts for these guys >>> Look at Operation Puerto. Then in the left arm an 18 guage needle, pump in a liter of Pentaspoan or hespan to hemodilute... ( different untestable drugs but with the same properties) this process does not take long...

30 minute is a LONG time and you cant use the Lance claim that he took a shower... Nobody can say what he did >>> the shower is Lance's claim; not a fact.

 

[md2020]

If the tester did not inform Lance that he had to remain and then allowed him to shower there was no violation. No rider can be expected to know every detail of the rules. They must know the essentials in regards to reporting their whereabouts, and yes Lance would have been better served if he just waited. It is the responsibility of the tester to inform the athlete if they are about violate a rule. This is simple due diligence.

Isn't it pretty well known that ignorance of the rules is not an excuse to not follow them?

From my POV neither side is a paragon of virtue here but Lance looks worse. Best case he looks like an a-hole for making the guy wait AND leaving his sight for 20 minutes to take a shower. Worst case, he looks like an not only an a-hole but like a doper disappearing to do something nefarious.