race weight!

[danielovichdk2]

We need have a thread for this I think.

I would like to know from the actual pros whether or not they are weighted daily and what their weight is.

It's an important factor, we all know that!

 

[gazr99]

Very true.

With links to where they quote their race weight unless that is too factual for the clinic

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/racing/tour-de-france/chris-froome-interview-tour-de-france-training-152302

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/froome-ready-to-reveal-tour-de-france-data-but-questions-intense-scrutiny

 

[Eagle]

In the 2012 Tour Nicolas Roche was weighing himself 5 times a day

http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/cycling/paul-kimmage-on-why-nicolas-roche-is-determined-to-be-his-own-man-in-the-peloton-and-off-the-bike-31085204.html

Yeah, I think physically I was capable of much better but I was obsessed with not putting on weight and it caught up with me on the (11th) stage to La Toussuire; I had a complete hunger flat, 6k to the finish and dropped from ninth to 13th. So that was the year I was physically the strongest in the Tour but I was weighing myself five times a day and under-ate. I knew (that stage) was going to be 'D-Day' on the Tour and thought, 'Tomorrow my body weight has to be the lowest ever.' And instead of 'carbo' loading I did the opposite and starved myself.

 

[Bronstein]

Re:

Very true.

With links to where they quote their race weight unless that is too factual for the clinic

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/racing/tour-de-france/chris-froome-interview-tour-de-france-training-152302

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/froome-ready-to-reveal-tour-de-france-data-but-questions-intense-scrutiny

You forgot about this one:

"His weight is also now already at 10st 6lb [66.2kg], down from around 11st 5lb during the winter."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/11653099/Chris-Froome-Im-happy-to-be-drug-tested-we-need-more-of-it.html

 

[gazr99]

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You forgot about this one:

"His weight is also now already at 10st 6lb [66.2kg], down from around 11st 5lb during the winter."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/11653099/Chris-Froome-Im-happy-to-be-drug-tested-we-need-more-of-it.html

By my calculation that is 67.3kg?

 

[LaFlorecita]

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You forgot about this one:

"His weight is also now already at 10st 6lb [66.2kg], down from around 11st 5lb during the winter."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/11653099/Chris-Froome-Im-happy-to-be-drug-tested-we-need-more-of-it.html

By my calculation that is 67.3kg?

Nope. A stone is 6.35kg and lb is 0.4536kg. That adds up to 66.22kg

 

[Dear Wiggo]

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You forgot about this one:

"His weight is also now already at 10st 6lb [66.2kg], down from around 11st 5lb during the winter."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/11653099/Chris-Froome-Im-happy-to-be-drug-tested-we-need-more-of-it.html

By my calculation that is 67.3kg?

Nope. A stone is 6.35kg and lb is 0.4536kg. That adds up to 66.22kg

I am not sure you can do these calculations without being an expert in physiology.

 

[gazr99]

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You forgot about this one:

"His weight is also now already at 10st 6lb [66.2kg], down from around 11st 5lb during the winter."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/11653099/Chris-Froome-Im-happy-to-be-drug-tested-we-need-more-of-it.html

By my calculation that is 67.3kg?

Nope. A stone is 6.35kg and lb is 0.4536kg. That adds up to 66.22kg

1) We do realise we are arguing over a kilo here? But it is Sky
2) I always do mine online and have seen why there's a difference. If you simply do 6.35 x 10.6 = 67.3. Do it your way which, I can now see why it is probably more accurate you obviously get 66.2

 

[carton]

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Nope. A stone is 6.35kg and lb is 0.4536kg. That adds up to 66.22kg

I heard slovakian stones were heavier than that.

 

[Saint Unix]

You do realise that kilo is the difference between 6.15W/kg and 6,25W/kg, assuming Froome's average output was 414W.

Pretty significant in the world of pro cycling.

 

[gazr99]

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You do realise that kilo is the difference between 6.15W/kg and 6,25W/kg, assuming Froome's average output was 414W.

Pretty significant in the world of pro cycling.

Yep. Use 66 if you like, I will probably stick with the weight that has been quoted more often especially considering it's been quoted in kg not reported in stone

 

[cro75]

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2) I always do mine online and have seen why there's a difference. If you simply do 6.35 x 10.6 = 67.3. Do it your way which, I can now see why it is probably more accurate you obviously get 66.2

Your error is that the british weight system isn't decimal. 10 stone 6 pounds is not 10.6, there are 14 pounds in a stone.

 

[FroomehasneverdopedX]

the key is to be as close to 4% bf as possible


or as close to 0% as possible

 

[DirtyWorks]

Re: Re:

You forgot about this one:

"His weight is also now already at 10st 6lb [66.2kg], down from around 11st 5lb during the winter."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/11653099/Chris-Froome-Im-happy-to-be-drug-tested-we-need-more-of-it.html

By my calculation that is 67.3kg?

Nope. A stone is 6.35kg and lb is 0.4536kg. That adds up to 66.22kg

1) We do realise we are arguing over a kilo here? But it is Sky
2) I always do mine online and have seen why there's a difference. If you simply do 6.35 x 10.6 = 67.3. Do it your way which, I can now see why it is probably more accurate you obviously get 66.2

1 kilo does dramatic thing to Watts per Kilo ratio. So, yeah, 1 kilo matters quite a bit.

 

[IzzyStradlin]

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Your error is that the british weight system isn't decimal. 10 stone 6 pounds is not 10.6, there are 14 pounds in a stone.

Stone is certainly the most incredibly stupid unit of measurement in the entire world. But at this point I expect Sky to start measuring elevation in cubits.

 

[gazr99]

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Your error is that the british weight system isn't decimal. 10 stone 6 pounds is not 10.6, there are 14 pounds in a stone.

Stone is certainly the most incredibly stupid unit of measurement in the entire world. But at this point I expect Sky to start measuring elevation in cubits.

They don't use stone, they use kg. The paper reported it in stone

 

[AICA ribonucleotide]

This whole thing is ridiculous. Can a number of journalists not turn up to his press conference on saturday with multiple scales with them and let him settle this for once and all. If he refuses to step on them in a press conference like that then Sky have just *** themselves in front of the worlds media on the same day Froome destroyed the field on the Queen stage.

 

[More Strides than Rides]

I avoid talking about weight in the clinic, because it is usually something that get's "noised": one-variable that is not independently an indicator of anything, And even when it is taken in context, that discussion gets moved by people who misunderstand the context.

Weight moves day to day because of hydration, riders' internal plumbing, body's stress reactions to racing and fluid retention, sodium intake, heat/humidity of the day, blood bags, being too road-rashed/crash-broken to eat enough... lots of things.

When people talk about weight, they talk about their good day. Not the day they ate to much steak and were backed-up that morning. That someone's actual weight moves 2 kgs. is not an indicator of deception. And while it is an important issue for calculating power we're going to be asking to weigh each rider's *** every morning to get an accurate power estimate.

In a different vain, listening to riders (and any athlete) talk about weight is the biggest indication that athletes have no idea what they are doing to their bodies, fitness, nutrition, drugs, or otherwise. Athletes can be on a different planet when it comes to making rational decisions about nutrition. Put another way, science cannot investigate the strategies used by athletes because they are so absurd and ridiculous that they would not get by an ethics review for the study.

My point is, don't even take what an athlete says about their nutrition/weight with a grain of salt.

 

[IndianCyclist]

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/viewtopic.php?p=1646196#p1646196
Has any rider been known to use liposuction for weight control especially given the crazy things they do for performance?
or something more crazy like replacement of some bones with light weight artificial replacement

 

[Benotti69]

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http://forum.cyclingnews.com/viewtopic.php?p=1646196#p1646196
Has any rider been known to use liposuction for weight control especially given the crazy things they do for performance?
or something more crazy like replacement of some bones with light weight artificial replacement

Would that be acceptable to you and not considered cheating?

 

[42x16ss]

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http://forum.cyclingnews.com/viewtopic.php?p=1646196#p1646196
Has any rider been known to use liposuction for weight control especially given the crazy things they do for performance?
or something more crazy like replacement of some bones with light weight artificial replacement

The only pro I can think of who could have done this safely would have been Toto. It's possible Betancur could too when he lets himself go I suppose.

 

[Jacques (7 ch)]

Re: Re:

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/viewtopic.php?p=1646196#p1646196
Has any rider been known to use liposuction for weight control especially given the crazy things they do for performance?
or something more crazy like replacement of some bones with light weight artificial replacement

The only pro I can think of who could have done this safely would have been Toto. It's possible Betancur could too when he lets himself go I suppose.

Ulrich??