Rasmus Damsgaard and Don Catlin

May 3, 2010
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Has anyone heard anything out of these two experts on doping recently?

Remember when signing up an anti-doping expert to your team to monitor your team was the way to ensure 'clean' racing?
 
Aug 9, 2012
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I think Wada are discouraging the practice. They prefer that there is only one central authority, and that teams don't do it themselves.

There are too many pitfalls in setting up internal testing.

Of course with cycling, the central authority is of questionable integrity, so it's a problem for teams wanting to ensure their riders are clean. Hopefully that can be corrected in the future
 
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I was wondering if given their respective positions at Astana/Saxo, and with Armstrong they had made any comment about their involvement.

Has Damsgaard ever made any comments about his role at those teams?

I remember when having an anti-doping expert on your staff was the latest fashion.
 
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Mrs John Murphy said:
I was wondering if given their respective positions at Astana/Saxo, and with Armstrong they had made any comment about their involvement.

Has Damsgaard ever made any comments about his role at those teams?

I remember when having an anti-doping expert on your staff was the latest fashion.
On this I have no idea. Perhaps a dane with good memory can remember something.
 
Mrs John Murphy said:
I was wondering if given their respective positions at Astana/Saxo, and with Armstrong they had made any comment about their involvement.

Has Damsgaard ever made any comments about his role at those teams?
What do you mean? Damsgaard turned Astana into a clean team by weeding out that bad apple, Gusev; everyone else was clean!
 
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Mrs John Murphy said:
Has anyone heard anything out of these two experts on doping recently?

Remember when signing up an anti-doping expert to your team to monitor your team was the way to ensure 'clean' racing?
Ah yes 2008, when there were four cleans teams in the peloton because they had internal testing and Joe Lindsey contrasted this with the dirty, dirty Spanish doctor who offered to do reverse anti-doping by monitoring your blood values for a fee.

Now there are only 2 clean teams in the peloton, but they're winning the majority of the GTs, so everything must be good.

I know one of Trent Lowe's best mates. Wonder if I could set up an interview...
 
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He's still working in the area, apparently...

Detecting autologous blood transfusions: a comparison of three passport approaches and four blood markers.

Mørkeberg J, Sharpe K, Belhage B, Damsgaard R, Schmidt W, Prommer N, Gore CJ, Ashenden MJ.

Scand J Med Sci Sports. 2011 Apr;21(2):235-43. doi: 10.1111/j.1600-0838.2009.01033.x.

PMID:
19903320
[PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Related citations
 
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Dear Wiggo said:
He's still working in the area, apparently...
Wonder what his source material is...

He and Catlin would make for interesting interviews. I get the sense that some of these anti-dopers tend to play both sides (as we saw with the Armstrong/Ferrari getting tipped off about the EPO test).
 
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Mrs John Murphy said:
Wonder what his source material is...

He and Catlin would make for interesting interviews. I get the sense that some of these anti-dopers tend to play both sides (as we saw with the Armstrong/Ferrari getting tipped off about the EPO test).
What's the likelihood of getting an interview with someone if you're not actually employed as a journalist? Kinda slim?

I'm tempted to go and do some, or at least ask if people would be prepared to have a chat...

I am sure no anti-doping expert would ever play both sides. I mean. They're experts in anti-doping. What the hell could they possibly know about the complete opposite of that (doping?).

To be fair, they used an EPO test at the 2000 Olympics, so it makes sense that you could warn someone in 2001 to stop using EPO for a bit due to the fact there's an IOC-approved test available... IQ tests for the rich and famously corrupt.
 
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Mrs John Murphy said:
Wonder what his source material is...

He and Catlin would make for interesting interviews. I get the sense that some of these anti-dopers tend to play both sides (as we saw with the Armstrong/Ferrari getting tipped off about the EPO test).
That's Russian territory. Anglophones don't go there.:rolleyes:

I'd never seen this thread.
Some good initial posts.
Judging from the recent evidence from Russia/IAAF, the practice of antidoping specialists playing both sides appears to be a routine much more than a conspiracy theory.

Froome's Monaco-based doctor and anti-doping specialist, Stephane Bermon, also springs to mind.
 
Mar 13, 2009
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Mrs John Murphy said:
I was wondering if given their respective positions at Astana/Saxo, and with Armstrong they had made any comment about their involvement.

Has Damsgaard ever made any comments about his role at those teams?

I remember when having an anti-doping expert on your staff was the latest fashion.
apart from being given a new Cervelo to train on?
 
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Damsgaard is the head of FIS blood testing program in cross country skiing. He had been so since 2006. Damsgaard is praising the bio passport in cycling, still FIS didn't join WADA's bio passport program until 2012. They'd been blood testing in cross country skiing since the 1990's, but when it came to posting the test results in ADAMS FIS dragged their feet as long as possible. It was as if they didn't want WADA and national ADA's to have access to the blood profiles. Damsgaard had for six years sole access to the blood test results in cross country skiing. You could say he was running an internal testing program in cross country skiing just like the ones he had been running for CSC/Saxo and Astana.
 
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neineinei said:
Damsgaard is the head of FIS blood testing program in cross country skiing. He had been so since 2006. Damsgaard is praising the bio passport in cycling, still FIS didn't join WADA's bio passport program until 2012. They'd been blood testing in cross country skiing since the 1990's, but when it came to posting the test results in ADAMS FIS dragged their feet as long as possible. It was as if they didn't want WADA and national ADA's to have access to the blood profiles. Damsgaard had for six years sole access to the blood test results in cross country skiing. You could say he was running an internal testing program in cross country skiing just like the ones he had been running for CSC/Saxo and Astana.

Wonder does Damsgaard work on the side for Riis. Wouldn't surprise me.
 
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Granville57 said:
Just to clarify: Mrs John Murhpy's question was from 2012. :)
I noticed. And it was the reason I wrote that the interview was from 2013. I usually don't bother doing even that.
 
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neineinei said:
Damsgaard is the head of FIS blood testing program in cross country skiing. He had been so since 2006. Damsgaard is praising the bio passport in cycling, still FIS didn't join WADA's bio passport program until 2012. They'd been blood testing in cross country skiing since the 1990's, but when it came to posting the test results in ADAMS FIS dragged their feet as long as possible. It was as if they didn't want WADA and national ADA's to have access to the blood profiles. Damsgaard had for six years sole access to the blood test results in cross country skiing. You could say he was running an internal testing program in cross country skiing just like the ones he had been running for CSC/Saxo and Astana.
did they give Rasmus a set of new skiis and poles?

I think we can raise Cervelo and send mr professor damsgaard a new LOOkTM carbon fibre cycling frame PLUS some cross-country skiis and poles. dont accuse us Clinic 14 of parsimony



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According to the BT article linked to by neineinei a few posts above, Damsgaard runs a private anti-doping business which could possibly be consulted by cycling teams.

As far as we know, Damsgaard doesn't any longer work with cycling teams. He will neither confirm or deny the rumour that Team Sky uses his knowledge today. He only stresses that cycling teams - as well as any other team - can buy anti-doping research through his company, Clearidum.
 
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Clearidium is a large private anti doping agency. They are testing for UCI (and FIS of course), probably bagging a seizable chunk of UCI's anti doping funds yearly.

http://clearidium.dk/

If your request is essential, maybe in a remote area and i.e. blood needs to be collected and delivered within 36 hours, “no” is not an option. In fact, a client once said: “Clearidium makes the impossible possible.”
Clearidium, Cleansidium
 
neineinei said:
Clearidium is a large private anti doping agency. They are testing for UCI (and FIS of course), probably bagging a seizable chunk of UCI's anti doping funds yearly.

http://clearidium.dk/



Clearidium, Cleansidium
To be specific, Clearidium hires people to **collect** samples using the WADA standard worldwide. Clearidium won't test, or manage test results.

The tests themselves are run at WADA certified commercial labs all over the world at the direction of the anti-doping authority. An anti-doping authority can be a race promoter, a national federation, an international federation.

Test results are uploaded and managed by Martial Saugy's group for a large number of sports including cycling. I believe Saugy has assisted in managing anti-doping controversy when the UCI failed to do so.

What we know from the IAAF/Russia scandal is one opportunity for corruption would be bribing the collector to look the other way, but that would not directly implicate Damsgaard himself.

Damsgaard is obviously trusted by the IOC and that would mean bribes to secure the business. That is routine for the IOC. But, that's not directly corrupting anti-doping.

You can look up Clearidium's official business registration here:http://datacvr.virk.dk/data/visenhed?enhedstype=virksomhed&id=32553869&soeg=clearidium
 

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