Rate the 2012 Tour route

[McLovin]

In the end, what happend with PSM? It was suposed to be the last MTF from a hundred sources.

 

[Anonymous]

video of part of stage 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsMJmCBZDoc&feature=player_embedded

complete isanity

http://translate.google.com/transla...ad.be/article/detail.aspx?articleid=GEN3HCOB6

 

[theyoungest]

video of part of stage 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsMJmCBZDoc&feature=player_embedded

complete isanity

http://translate.google.com/transla...ad.be/article/detail.aspx?articleid=GEN3HCOB6

We have such roads in Holland too, but they're usually in urban areas, and busy. This looks quite otherworldly.

 

[guncha]

In the end, what happend with PSM? It was suposed to be the last MTF from a hundred sources.

PSM rumor has never been confirmed, I think. Possibly finish in Pau is more important for ASO than MTF at PSM.

An article in French about this topic. It says Prudhomme has visited PSM and has shown an interest in finish at PSM. But nothing has ever been guaranteed to PSM.
http://www.larepubliquedespyrenees.fr/2011/10/11/tour-2012-la-pierre-encore-zappee,214974.php

 

[Descender]

video of part of stage 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsMJmCBZDoc&feature=player_embedded

complete isanity

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Welcome to MarioKart!

 

[the chicken from T]

contenders podium

evans
contador
nibali
wiggins
menchov
martin (tony)

 

[The Hitch]

evans
contador
nibali
wiggins
menchov
martin (tony)

What do you think that Nibali has in his arsenal that Sanchez doesnt that puts him on the list but not Samy?
Other than a GT win of course

 

[airstream]

I'd say why you assume the descents will decide sooo much? I guess a better descender skill increases someones chances on about 0.5%, maybe a bit more over the guys like Basso.

 

[roundabout]

I am guessing that it's still 2006 and some people think that Nibali can TT very well.

 

[airstream]

I am guessing that it's still 2006 and some people think that Nibali can TT very well.

08? He can TT well, but not 50 and not on stage 20.

 

[El Pistolero]

video of part of stage 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsMJmCBZDoc&feature=player_embedded

complete isanity

http://translate.google.com/transla...ad.be/article/detail.aspx?articleid=GEN3HCOB6

Lol at that video description!

"One of Belgium's worst scandals. This road did cost 300.000 euros to belgian tax payers (Belgium is a tiny country known for political corruption and denial of democracy)"

And that out of the mouth of a Russian.

Only one vid for such a fail:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkfVdrtLcRs

 

[El Pistolero]

What do you think that Nibali has in his arsenal that Sanchez doesnt that puts him on the list but not Samy?
Other than a GT win of course

A team and youth. Better descending skills as well.

Samu has better time trial skills though. And better climbing skills, but I'm afraid that won't matter all too much in this Tour.

 

[airstream]

A team and youth. Better descending skills as well.

Samu has better time trial skills though. And better climbing skills, but I'm afraid that won't matter all too much in this Tour.

OK. How can better descending skill and team work affect on the result more than climbing and TT's? Do you see Liquigas on the front or they'll start on the descends instead of the ascents?

 

[El Pistolero]

OK. How can better descending skill and team work affect on the result more than climbing and TT's? Do you see Liquigas on the front or they'll start on the descends instead of the ascents?

The mountain stages are easy and quite a few descend finishes. But I don't rate Nibali over Samu. I'm just listing Nibali's arsenal of weapons where he's better than Samu.

 

[airstream]

The mountain stages are easy and quite a few descend finishes. But I don't rate Nibali over Samu. I'm just listing Nibali's arsenal of weapons where he's better than Samu.

Well, I just find a team work to be a bit conditional factor in terms of the mountains stages if this team is not USP or Liquigas on the Giro'10. Surely, they'll protect Nibali on the flat, but if he will be not good on the climbs, neither Szmyd nor someone else will salvage him. Talking about Nibali's attempt to attack is funny at all. I don't get why you're so confident hes a better descender than Samu but still we should remember, they attack on the descends either having much strength left after the uphills or in case some of contenders is isolated. In all other cases the descends are ridden very conservatively. Considering how Nibali looked this year, I don't think hell survive among the best up to the descend, if Contador or somebody else will decide to make fire. Moreover, not all of them are suitable for attack.

 

[The Hitch]

A team and youth. Better descending skills as well.

Samu has better time trial skills though. And better climbing skills, but I'm afraid that won't matter all too much in this Tour.

If the Tour were to be decided on descending skills I think Samus podium chances would be pretty good

 

[Descender]

I'd say why you assume the descents will decide sooo much? I guess a better descender skill increases someones chances on about 0.5%, maybe a bit more over the guys like Basso.

Or Andy Schleck (see de France 2012, Tour, stage to Gap).

 

[Libertine Seguros]

If the Tour were to be decided on descending skills I think Samus podium chances would be pretty good

Thor Hushovd: Grand Tour winner...

 

[airstream]

Or Andy Schleck (see de France 2012, Tour, stage to Gap).

It was not an average case. Hard to say whether they would have let him on Izoard, if he hadn't lost on that stage. But Schleck can be bold and descend not bad, I'm sure. He won about 20 sec on the descent from Col du Romme from Nibali who attacked Wiggo and LA then.

 

[Kwibus]

I'm not sure if this is being discussed somewhere else by now, but....

Gilbert:
When asked about Andy Schleck's chances of winning the Tour one day, Gilbert sounded quite cautious: “When there is a very mountainous Tour without too much time trial, he has got a chance. But only if [Alberto] Contador is not at his best. Perhaps [Schleck] has missed his biggest chance to win - in 2011.”

Exactly my thoughts.

 

[jens_attacks]

he gambled and lost.contador's all or nothing,rage attack and cadel's bad-asz attitude took his tour.
if on izoard-galibier stage,andy would have been chased by zandio and chente of caisse d'epargne just like floyd in 2006,now you would read andy schleck,tour de france 2011 winner.

i still think there is a possibility for the schlecks to do il giro

 

[Caruut]

If anything the balance of TT to mountains in the TdF and Giro should really be telling Andy "go away, have a crack at the Giro, then come back and try and win the tour".