Rusvelo pick up 3 more positive tests

[argyllflyer]

All three (Roman Maikin, Andrei Solomennikov, Artem Ovechkin) failed tests at the Russian National Champs:

http://www.rusada.ru/press/news/informatsiya-o-vremennom-otstranenii-velosport-0

Valery Kaykov was banned in April.

 

[EnacheV]

this is the type of news i suggested to have a single sticked thread for

confirmed failed doping tests and accusations made by riders/cycling staff from pro teams, people that are within the phenomenon.

 

[Cerberus]

this is the type of news i suggested to have a single sticked thread for

confirmed failed doping tests and accusations made by riders/cycling staff from pro teams, people that are within the phenomenon.

Known associations with doping doctors.

 

[argyllflyer]

this is the type of news i suggested to have a single sticked thread for

confirmed failed doping tests and accusations made by riders/cycling staff from pro teams, people that are within the phenomenon.

It's amusing how NEWS of failed tests is deemed less worthy of a thread but speculation and bum science can have thousands! Just shows the level of debate here.

 

[Alphabet]

It's amusing how NEWS of failed tests is deemed less worthy of a thread but speculation and bum science can have thousands! Just shows the level of debate here.

In fairness, it's quiet because the team in question is RusVelo. The thread for Contador's positive, for instance, is quite big- especially when you consider that it's a 3 year old thread and there would have been far fewer posters here in 2010.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

The only thing good about this is the normally effective and fast process of dishes out the bans.

There are no reasons to spend 6 months in a discovery phase.

See you in two years, maybe.

 

[hrotha]

OK, the fact that like 99% of people testing positive are Russians has to raise some eyebrows. Then again, this happened at the nationals. I just don't know, man.

 

[martinvickers]

Known associations with doping doctors.

Sorry, no.

It's plainly and patently obvious 'association' is not the same, or really even of the same type, as either 'positive test' or 'direct accusation or confession'. It just ain't.

 

[argyllflyer]

In fairness, it's quiet because the team in question is RusVelo. The thread for Contador's positive, for instance, is quite big- especially when you consider that it's a 3 year old thread and there would have been far fewer posters here in 2010.

Sorry, was really responding to the guy who said such stories should all be a single stickied thread.

A single team coughing up 3 positives from one set of races I feel is worthy of its own thread.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

It's amusing how NEWS of failed tests is deemed less worthy of a thread but speculation and bum science can have thousands! Just shows the level of debate here.

Yep, lets have a debate about a positive test. What shall we the topic of the debate?

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Yep, lets have a debate about a positive test. What shall we the topic of the debate?

Let's try. I really don't think they are positives, it is just that the russians have a faulty testing machines.

 

[l.Harm]

- Why don't Russians learn from the past?
- Is it team-wide doping?
- Are the Russians in the WT also doping or clean or on another program?
- Does it fit in some nice conspiracy theory?

For example

 

[User Guide]

An oligarch is rumoured to be setting up a rival to the world tour,UCI getting in the first salvo

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Let's try. I really don't think they are positives, it is just that the russians have a faulty testing machines.

I agree, I think it is a conspiracy to blacken Cookson and his Russian mob friends. Pat is at it again. He just has it in for the MPCC.

 

[Benotti69]

- Why don't Russians learn from the past?
- Is it team-wide doping?
- Are the Russians in the WT also doping or clean or on another program?
- Does it fit in some nice conspiracy theory?

For example

All these things are discussed in the various threads, but it is hard to find amongst all the fanboys who dont want debate, but attack those who question unreal performances, working with doping doctors, TTers learning to climb, how the move from Track to GT winner is possible so late in a career etc......

Dont believe the fanboys.

 

[Cerberus]

Sorry, no.

It's plainly and patently obvious 'association' is not the same, or really even of the same type, as either 'positive test' or 'direct accusation or confession'. It just ain't.

It's plainly and patently obvious that a "accusation" is not the same, or really even of the same type, as either 'positive test' or confession'. It just ain't.

 

[Alpechraxler]

Substance ?

 

[martinvickers]

It's plainly and patently obvious that a "accusation" is not the same, or really even of the same type, as either 'positive test' or confession'. It just ain't.

Actually, it is.

A 'positive test' is a chemical analysis of blood or urine, or an analysis of other blood values, which, as evidence, is highly probative of doping guilt.

A direct accusation by an eye-witness or colleague is, as evidence, is highly probative of doping guilt. Probably not as high as a positive test, but within spitting distance.

A mere association is not the same at all. Sorry to disappoint.

If you're going to try be clever, Cerberus, it helps if you actually are clever.

 

[Ferminal]

I can't believe that Heiko would let his riders dope.

 

[valkus]

They just forgot to pay the right people.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ot...nday-special-investigation-doping-Russia.html

 

[DirtyWorks]

An oligarch is rumoured to be setting up a rival to the world tour,UCI getting in the first salvo

Maybe?

We know Russian athletics announced a *ton* of positives earlier this year. Russia is getting all the anti-doping attention in 2013. <shrug>

 

[Night Rider]

I can't believe that Heiko would let his riders dope.

Pat Jonker said the same thing. He also said Lance never doped as well, go figure.

 

[Ferminal]

Pat Jonker said the same thing. He also said Lance never doped as well, go figure.

Looks like I could be right then

To be fair I've never heard anything dodgy about him (maybe blackcat/thehog know something), but his imposing presence here in the 90s is probably enough to question. Not to mention he seems to be worth about 4-5 seconds to any TP squad that picks him up.

 

[blackcat]

Looks like I could be right then

To be fair I've never heard anything dodgy about him (maybe blackcat/thehog know something), but his imposing presence here in the 90s is probably enough to question. Not to mention he seems to be worth about 4-5 seconds to any TP squad that picks him up.

i heard from a guy who was stuck next to a swanny from Rabo, on a major international flight.

its a he said she said uncle said best friends brother said chinese whispers sino yum cha drinking tea tale.

but when Jonker was 13th in the Tour on GC in 99 or 98 or 2001 or whenever it was, no one in the peloton was clean. then he has been recently the acolyte of merckx at Livestrong or Bontrager and the DS on the US development team.

so lets be real.

nothing on jonkers character. not a defamation. it is a realism and pragmatism position re: pro cycling on the continent.

i think the worst thing one could say about Pat, is he was cuckolded (license) in the Armstrong talking point propaganda. no need to do that. dont shill for Armstrong when no need.

 

[Alpechraxler]

ok so the team doc ordered the wrong med. sounds credible really. Fenoterol instead of Formoterol. Don't think anyone will get sanctions. just a little mistake. nothing to see here.