Schlecks Depreciation Thread

[cyclopeon]

Seems to me Andy's just mad that no one took his attack seriously (which says volumes about how his threat is viewed by them). Only two teams bothered to mark him eventually, and there didn't seem to be that much concern at the head of the peloton.

 

[hughmoore]

On top of that his brother dismissed his teammate's offer.
Horner:
"I was riding beside Frank when he punctured and I asked him if he wanted my wheel, but he said no, he would wait for the mechanic, which, to be honest, is often the best thing to do – at least the mechanic knows how to put a wheel in quickly and how to do the wheel skewer up properly," laughed Horner.

This is funniest quote ive seen for ages, thanks for that.


Hugh

 

[hfer07]

His brother Andy seemed more upset than anything else and, almost inevitably, he was less than pleased with the way the rest of the teams rode. "Why does nobody attack?" said Andy Schleck. "Why does everyone ride for second place, eh? Because, if you don't attack and [Joaquim] Rodriguez gets to the bottom of the Mur in the front group that's what you will be racing for, second place.

I honestly don't even know where to begin with on the unreachable level stupidity contained in that commentary..........

 

[Afrank]

His brother Andy seemed more upset than anything else and, almost inevitably, he was less than pleased with the way the rest of the teams rode. "Why does nobody attack?" said Andy Schleck. "Why does everyone ride for second place, eh? Because, if you don't attack and [Joaquim] Rodriguez gets to the bottom of the Mur in the front group that's what you will be racing for, second place.

Yeah, why do you do that Andy?

Ps: Evans beat him in 2010 and Gilbert in 2011, so he's not really unbeatable.

Read RNT's races report, Andy attacked with 40k to go, and the the second time up the Mur they tried in Horners words to be "aggresive as possible." Sounds to me like they weren't racing for second.
http://www.radioshacknissantrek.com/news/stirring-things

Andy wasn't saying Purito has always been unbeatable he was saying that with his form he see's him as the strongest in the race. If Gilbert had the same form as last year he would probably have said "Gilbert gets to the bottom of the mur in the front group and you will be racing for, second place."

 

[Ripper]

Read RNT's races report

Nobody, but nobody, wants to read a RadioShart report

 

[Ripper]

81 Andy Schleck (Lux) RadioShack-Nissan 0:02:25

Moving on up LOL!!!

Ooooooooooooooo, he's obviously coming into form.

I guess I shouldn't be mean. He didn't drop out

 

[ElChingon]

Man I feel for Horner having to ride with those two this year... might cause him to retire, shameful...

 

[CQmanager]

"Why does everyone ride for second place, eh? Because, if you don't attack and [Joaquim] Rodriguez gets to the bottom of the Mur in the front group that's what you will be racing for, second place.

"I don't understand the attitude. If Frank hadn't punctured then I'm sure he would have been in the top 10 and maybe even top five."

You are blaming others to race for 2nd but you are hoping Frank can make Top 10? Hahaha, this is the funniest s..t

 

[Cancellator]

His brother Andy seemed more upset than anything else and, almost inevitably, he was less than pleased with the way the rest of the teams rode. "Why does nobody attack?" said Andy Schleck. "Why does everyone ride for second place, eh? Because, if you don't attack and [Joaquim] Rodriguez gets to the bottom of the Mur in the front group that's what you will be racing for, second place.

Yeah, why do you do that Andy?

Ps: Evans beat him in 2010 and Gilbert in 2011, so he's not really unbeatable.

He wasn't wrong here. Trying to beat Purito in his best form in that finale is like trying to beat Cavendish in top form on a pan-flat sprint. 99% it won't happen.

He does have second places but losing on the last day doesn't qualify as "riding for second" in my book. Just riding an insufficiently good TT...

There are other, good enough reasons to criticize Andy without trying to distort his quotes. It's true that his FW attack was pathetic, for example.

 

[Cimber]

His brother Andy seemed more upset than anything else and, almost inevitably, he was less than pleased with the way the rest of the teams rode. "Why does nobody attack?" said Andy Schleck. "Why does everyone ride for second place, eh? Because, if you don't attack and [Joaquim] Rodriguez gets to the bottom of the Mur in the front group that's what you will be racing for, second place.

Hmm I was thinking the exact same thing in last years LBL were the bros pulled Gilbert to victory and did not attack him to avoid the inevitable. The hypocrisy is strong with this one.

 

[Lexman]

"Why does everyone ride for second place, eh? Because, if you don't attack and [Joaquim] Rodriguez gets to the bottom of the Mur in the front group that's what you will be racing for, second place.

"I don't understand the attitude. If Frank hadn't punctured then I'm sure he would have been in the top 10 and maybe even top five."

You are blaming others to race for 2nd but you are hoping Frank can make Top 10? Hahaha, this is the funniest s..t

Exactly my thought as well...

 

[Cancellator]

"Why does everyone ride for second place, eh? Because, if you don't attack and [Joaquim] Rodriguez gets to the bottom of the Mur in the front group that's what you will be racing for, second place.

"I don't understand the attitude. If Frank hadn't punctured then I'm sure he would have been in the top 10 and maybe even top five."

You are blaming others to race for 2nd but you are hoping Frank can make Top 10? Hahaha, this is the funniest s..t

Okay, I hadn't read that part before I made my previous post. That's one crappy statement right there.

 

[spalco]

I really want to like the Schlecks, but they are making it very hard.

 

[Cancellator]

I really want to like the Schlecks, but they are making it very hard.

I know the feeling.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

His brother Andy seemed more upset than anything else and, almost inevitably, he was less than pleased with the way the rest of the teams rode. "Why does nobody attack?" said Andy Schleck. "Why does everyone ride for second place, eh? Because, if you don't attack and [Joaquim] Rodriguez gets to the bottom of the Mur in the front group that's what you will be racing for, second place.

Yeah, why do you do that Andy?

Ps: Evans beat him in 2010 and Gilbert in 2011, so he's not really unbeatable.

How could Andy ever know that? When you're riding in 80th position it's hard to see the winner

 

[vcampbell]

Well at least he cares about FW. Which im happy about. Too often Schlecks have dismissed these races as small. Andy said himself he doesnt feel like hes own a big race - blatant f u to Liege.

Care? Yes, a funny surprise attack, and a 20th place. Schlecks are wrinting history in this year!

 

[B_Ugli]

I really want to like the Schlecks, but they are making it very hard.

I know the feeling.

I reckon the tv commentators are probably feeling the same way judging by their "enthusiasm" when a Schleck hits the front!

I think the real shame is that these lads are just wasting their careers and will look back when they retire and see one wasted opportunity after another. Or will they?

 

[Forunculo]

I reckon the tv commentators are probably feeling the same way judging by their "enthusiasm" when a Schleck hits the front!

I think the real shame is that these lads are just wasting their careers and will look back when they retire and see one wasted opportunity after another. Or will they?

Too literal

 

[hrotha]

I'd say Fränk has had a pretty good career for his talent level. Victories in AGR, Tour de Suisse, Criterium International and a couple of Tour stages, a Tour podium and plenty other top 10 results. That's pretty good for someone who, unlike his brother, doesn't have the raw talent to be a huge star.

His recent turn to enhanced idiocy doesn't change that.

 

[AussieGoddess]

I'd say Fränk has had a pretty good career for his talent level. Victories in AGR, Tour de Suisse, Criterium International and a couple of Tour stages, a Tour podium and plenty other top 10 results. That's pretty good for someone who, unlike his brother, doesn't have the raw talent to be a huge star.

His recent turn to enhanced idiocy doesn't change that.

Thats maybe a bit harsh. I think Frank is actually a huge talent. Certainly as talented as rodriguez, rujano, scarponi, menchov, or cunego .... and they are all considered pretty handy on a bike.

For mine, he needs to be unhinged from his brother though. On any other team he would be someone they would build a grand tour team around (aer teaching him to TT of course ) but on any other team - having 2 great GT contenders is considered an advantage - and they split them giving them a GT each.

OR ... they make one a super-dom for the other. Having a wingman of that calibre is an amazing advantage - provided you use it well.

RSNT do neither. Instead they try this stupid 2 pronged 'we want to finish 1-2' game, and sacrifice the win.

 

[Parrulo]

Thats maybe a bit harsh. I think Frank is actually a huge talent. Certainly as talented as rodriguez, rujano, scarponi, menchov, or cunego .... and they are all considered pretty handy on a bike.

For mine, he needs to be unhinged from his brother though. On any other team he would be someone they would build a grand tour team around (aer teaching him to TT of course ) but on any other team - having 2 great GT contenders is considered an advantage - and they split them giving them a GT each.

OR ... they make one a super-dom for the other. Having a wingman of that calibre is an amazing advantage - provided you use it well.

RSNT do neither. Instead they try this stupid 2 pronged 'we want to finish 1-2' game, and sacrifice the win.

As good of a talent as Rodriguez yes, but as the others? I don't think so. Menchov is a triple GT winner, he may not feature on the classics but when he comes to GT he is several steps ahead of frank. Cunego is a triple monument winner and GT winner, once again much better palmares and more talent imo then frank, he is also younger and seems to be back into good shape after 2 bad years. Rujano is hard to compare but when on form is hard to disagree that he is 10 times the climber frank schleck is. About scarponi. . . well despite not riding the ardennes in a while he actually was more of a classics guy then a GT guy on the earlier part of his career and good one at that, and i also think he is a better GT rider then frank.

frank's problem for the GT's is his inconsistence and bad recuperation. just look at his last 2 tours. in 09 he dropped armstrong and wiggins on verbier(stage 15) then had to hang on for dear life on stage 17 on a group that still had wiggins and kloden and that armstrong later managed to bridge across bringing and recently dropped frank with him and only reason why he didn't lost time there was because the group slowed down because he had just been dropped so no saxo pushing and lance was bridging so no astana pushing, the next day(stage 18) he was one of the strongest and won the stage on stage 19 he lost a ton of time in the itt and on the ventoux stage was dropped by lance near the top. Last year he had the obligation of dropping both andy and evans on the alpe because of all that happened on the previous day and the earlier part of the stage but wasn't able to do it despite being the one that should be fresher of the 3.

So as you can see clear signs of bad recuperation and inconsistence.

For the classics there are only a couple guys stronger then him and he is always up there, but his bad sprint makes him similar to some1 like boogerd, always there but never winning which is what matters.

 

[hrotha]

Thats maybe a bit harsh. I think Frank is actually a huge talent. Certainly as talented as rodriguez, rujano, scarponi, menchov, or cunego .... and they are all considered pretty handy on a bike.

For mine, he needs to be unhinged from his brother though. On any other team he would be someone they would build a grand tour team around (aer teaching him to TT of course ) but on any other team - having 2 great GT contenders is considered an advantage - and they split them giving them a GT each.

OR ... they make one a super-dom for the other. Having a wingman of that calibre is an amazing advantage - provided you use it well.

RSNT do neither. Instead they try this stupid 2 pronged 'we want to finish 1-2' game, and sacrifice the win.

It depends on how you define "huge star" - I was being more restrictive than you with that term. There's no doubt that Andy is the bigger talent of the two, and yet until recently Fränk's palmares MUCH better (and for many it still is).

 

[CQmanager]

So the Schlecks bros were yapping about how they are "determined to be a factor at Liège-Bastogne-Liège". Andy got dropped who knows where and Frankie barely hang on to stay with the chase group and finished 23rd. Johan better take over immediately and get Dr Lamborghini on the phone pronto.

 

[Parrulo]

50 Andy Schleck (Lux) Radioshack-Nissan

 

[Fetisoff]

50 Andy Schleck (Lux) Radioshack-Nissan

Wasn't he in the front group after Frank got dropped from it? Or was it Monfort?