http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/feb/14/cycling-team-sky-doping
Should be more in the interview on Tuesday.
Should be more in the interview on Tuesday.
Hard to avoid the slippery slope concerns.roundabout said:http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/feb/14/cycling-team-sky-doping
Should be more in the interview on Tuesday.
First - when did Lance, Ricco, Floyd, etc. have their 40th? How did 40 yrs become a magic age?if you want experience of professional cycling you have to go back a long way to find people over 40 who haven't been tainted in some way by many of cycling's past problems
Disappointing but unfortunately inevitable. It's hard to hire experienced DS's when 80-90% have doped or been accused of doping.roundabout said:http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/feb/14/cycling-team-sky-doping
Should be more in the interview on Tuesday.
The magic age is non existant. But given the age of most DS's, soigneurs etc in the sport, most of them would have some sort of "history" behind them...D-Queued said:Hard to avoid the slippery slope concerns.
First - when did Lance, Ricco, Floyd, etc. have their 40th? How did 40 yrs become a magic age?
Second - Then try and recruit people like Willy Voet. Experienced cycling physiotherapist, drug-tainted past, xenophobic anti-doping stance. In fact, it is exactly that kind of experience that is almost a fundamental requirement to have any chance at a clean team. The better you know the enemy, the better chance you have.
Dave.
How many experienced DSs under the age of 40 can you name?D-Queued said:First - when did Lance, Ricco, Floyd, etc. have their 40th? How did 40 yrs become a magic age?
Vino comes right to my mind =DMambo95 said:How many experienced DSs under the age of 40 can you name?
Aaaaah, yeah, okay, now you've said that, the comment makes much more sense. Sorry D-Queued, ignore what i said, you actually make a really good, interesting point.roundabout said:I think D-Queued is suggesting that it would make actual sense to hire Voet not that Sky have contacted him (yet).
When's he ever been a DS? Part owner, probably. But I can't remember him sitting in a team car making decisions.Ryaguas said:Vino comes right to my mind =D
Define experienced? 5 years or more in the top level?Mambo95 said:How many experienced DSs under the age of 40 can you name?
What strikes me is the hypocrisy in potentially hiring a director with a tainted past, but not a rider. At a time when concerns about organized doping programs are so relevant, they worry only about the individual. At least there are some controls in place for the riders, however weak they may be.JPM London said:I think the disappointing thing isn't the walk away from zero tolerance - I think the disappointing thing was the hypocrisy in seriously marketing the zero tolerance as if it had a place in cycling at this point in time....
True, but Brailsford was talking about directors who were associated or involved in doping cases, not riders who are subject of unproven rumour. See his comments about Barry.roundabout said:As said upthread, they already hired Rogers.
Sunderland?Darryl Webster said:Other than the public announcement of droping a policy that never actualy existed in the first place theres no news there whatsoever.
There plenty of skelitons already in the closet.![]()
But, oh no, we can't have Millar on the team - no, no...Darryl Webster said:Other than the public announcement of droping a policy that never actualy existed in the first place theres no news there whatsoever.
There plenty of skelitons already in the closet.![]()
Or c) they're trying to hire a new DS and have found that the only realistic options have a past or a rumoured past.TeamSkyFans said:This means one of two things to me.
Either
a) a **** storm is about to blow up about ds's who doped as riders and are now encouraging their existing riders to dope.
or
b) a **** storm is about to blow up about one of Sky's ds's practises as a rider, and DB is premeditating it by saying the past is the past, and although that DS doped as a rider he doesnt encourage riders to do that now.
Im going to go with option B, and Sean Yates is going to stab Lance in the ****.
Theyve got five DS's, and up to three people who can step in, Rod Ellingworth, Jullich etc. Not sure they need anymore. Not heard anything.Mambo95 said:Or c) they're trying to hire a new DS and have found that the only realistic options have a past or a rumoured past..
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