So when did old style cantilevers come back?

[richwagmn]

http://velonews.competitor.com/2011...s-stoppers-from-campagnolo-and-shimano_200751

Reminds me of the old deore xts on an old MB1 I had.

 

[Michielveedeebee]

They've been used forever on cyclocrossbikes no ?

 

[Bustedknuckle]

http://velonews.competitor.com/2011...s-stoppers-from-campagnolo-and-shimano_200751

Reminds me of the old deore xts on an old MB1 I had.

Cross has seen a huge increase in the US lately, so you see things like these brakes. shimano never stopped making canti brakes but these specific to cross...Plus cantis have always been compatible with road levers/STI/ERGO.

 

[RDV4ROUBAIX]

So when did old style cantilevers come back?

They never went away. Follow CX much?

 

[DirtyWorks]

Cross has seen a huge increase in the US lately, so you see things like these brakes. shimano never stopped making canti brakes but these specific to cross...Plus cantis have always been compatible with road levers/STI/ERGO.

Mafac's are an inferior design that was long ago superceded and yet probably the only thing moving off the shelf. Why anyone wants to spend time and money on this style brake is incontrovertible proof today's 'Cross consumers are dumber and twice as fashion sensitive as roadies.

 

[RDV4ROUBAIX]

Mafac's are an inferior design that was long ago superceded and yet probably the only thing moving off the shelf. Why anyone wants to spend time and money on this style brake is incontrovertible proof today's 'Cross consumers are dumber and twice as fashion sensitive as roadies.

What in the world do canti brakes have anything to do with fashion? Superseded by what? Disk? Sure, give it some time and they eventually will. If CX'rs are more fashion sensitive than roadies then I'm living in Bizarro World, roadies are the worst, by a long shot.

 

[pedaling squares]

It's hard to be fashion sensitive with a bright red face and an eight inch trail of snot running from your nostril to your jersey, via your lips and jaw. Or maybe that's just my experience with 'cross.

 

[richwagmn]

They never went away. Follow CX much?

No sir. Busted Knuckles explanation makes sense.

 

[RDV4ROUBAIX]

No sir. Busted Knuckles explanation makes sense.

Yeah, nice attempt at a burn. You are aware that there is a sport called Cyclocross, right? Maybe you should take a look at CX, it's quite a hoot, and getting much bigger in MN the last few years. 2010 MN State Champs was superfun!

 

[DirtyWorks]

What in the world do canti brakes have anything to do with fashion? Superseded by what?

The simple fact that Mafacs were the first, awful, choice for cantilever brakes until the inline cantilever. There's a reason the cantilevers went inline before going to v-brakes. It works much better. Shimano wasn't first, but everyone is pretty familiar with theirs.

Do you ever wonder why you see the outboard cantilever style shaped like a triangle instead of the 'lazy L' Mafac style? The pad twists badly in the Mafac design so they have to be set up with crazy toe-in to limit the howling.

But no. Instead of evaluating brakes for their performance, it's gotta resemble some bit of history. The time to move on was the 1990's.

In 2012 you've got two options.
Option 1: Avid Shorty 6's or old Shimano compacts. The cheap and dirty tektro 862a is functional, but not great. Everything is inline so nothing gets caught with slightly better braking performance. Work with road shifter levers.

Option 2: v-brakes. Tektro has a very nice compact v-brake. Much better braking performance. Probably too much brake for most races. Need the little travel gadget for road levers unless you go bar end shifter. Tektro has a very nice linear pull brake lever.

 

[ultimobici]

The simple fact that Mafacs were the first, awful, choice for cantilever brakes until the inline cantilever. There's a reason the cantilevers went inline before going to v-brakes. It works much better. Shimano wasn't first, but everyone is pretty familiar with theirs.

Do you ever wonder why you see the outboard cantilever style shaped like a triangle instead of the 'lazy L' Mafac style? The pad twists badly in the Mafac design so they have to be set up with crazy toe-in to limit the howling.

But no. Instead of evaluating brakes for their performance, it's gotta resemble some bit of history. The time to move on was the 1990's.

In 2012 you've got two options.
Option 1: Avid Shorty 6's or old Shimano compacts. The cheap and dirty tektro 862a is functional, but not great. Everything is inline so nothing gets caught with slightly better braking performance. Work with road shifter levers.

Option 2: v-brakes. Tektro has a very nice compact v-brake. Much better braking performance. Probably too much brake for most races. Need the little travel gadget for road levers unless you go bar end shifter. Tektro has a very nice linear pull brake lever.

So I should just dump my (silent & perfectly powerful) Campag CX's in the bin?

Mafac's were poor more because of their materials than their design, although the inability to toe-in easily was a pain. The actual shape of them is not a disadvantage when it is achieved using a single forging and employs modern hex bolted pads.

 

[RDV4ROUBAIX]

The simple fact that Mafacs were the first, awful, choice for cantilever brakes until the inline cantilever. There's a reason the cantilevers went inline before going to v-brakes. It works much better. Shimano wasn't first, but everyone is pretty familiar with theirs.

Do you ever wonder why you see the outboard cantilever style shaped like a triangle instead of the 'lazy L' Mafac style? The pad twists badly in the Mafac design so they have to be set up with crazy toe-in to limit the howling.

But no. Instead of evaluating brakes for their performance, it's gotta resemble some bit of history. The time to move on was the 1990's.

In 2012 you've got two options.
Option 1: Avid Shorty 6's or old Shimano compacts. The cheap and dirty tektro 862a is functional, but not great. Everything is inline so nothing gets caught with slightly better braking performance. Work with road shifter levers.

Option 2: v-brakes. Tektro has a very nice compact v-brake. Much better braking performance. Probably too much brake for most races. Need the little travel gadget for road levers unless you go bar end shifter. Tektro has a very nice linear pull brake lever.

Wow, those are your only options for this year? The CX centric shops I frequent offer way more than what you do. 2012 sees the return to cantis from Campy, also have the old Olympus cantis on my commuter. I've owned Paul Neo Retros for something like a decade, they migrate to every race bike I've had, and are a direct copy of the old Mafacs. For some reason they work really well, am I doing something wrong? What about TRP, Kore, Empella, Spooky? All Mafac copies and they work great. Sure, TRP is basically just expensive Tektro, but they work fine, Avid Shorty Ultimates are finicky, but I've set up enough of them that I have a system down to get them to work like champs.

You might want to start writing letters to all the pro CX teams out there and let them know they've been riding outdated brake systems for the last 20-30 years then post the responses you get. Would make for a good laugh.