So Who is to blame?

[Anonymous]

Whos fault is it?

Already the inquests have begun online. Some blaming CW, some blaming the UCI for leading them on.

Whos really at fault for this whole debarcle? (multiple options)

 

[happychappy]

Lance Armstrong.

 

[nobilis]

I don't know if we can put the blame on one party here. CW and the sponsor are to blame of course. The unclear and always changing UCI rules. The external environment has also smthg to do, with the doping cases (leading lately to Contador's case) that make the sponsors reluctant to enter the sports or to step back as it happened with Gillett.

 

[Anonymous]

I don't know if we can put the blame on one party here. CW and the sponsor are to blame of course. The unclear and always changing UCI rules. The external environment has also smthg to do, with the doping cases (leading lately to Contador's case) that make the sponsors reluctant to enter the sports or to step back as it happened with Gillett.

thats why i allowed voting for more than one option, and other

 

[hrotha]

In the official communication to the team it was said that the reasons why they had been refused would be communicated within a few days. All they have for now is the decision," said Enrico Carpani from the UCI.

So how about we wait before blaming anyone aside from CW who clearly has it coming?

 

[Anonymous]

So how about we wait before blaming anyone aside from CW who clearly has it coming?

when did waiting ever have any purpose around here before people made decisions?

 

[Polish]

Voted other....it was Alberto...

There were stories published that stated a potential main sponser pulled out because of the Alberto Scandal.

 

[Anonymous]

I blame ACF. Chris White couldnt afford to apply for 25 different restraining orders.

 

[NickBVK]

I blame ACF. Chris White couldnt afford to apply for 25 different restraining orders.

Champion.

 

[Jancouver]

Chris White is to blame.
He shouldn't be starting any team without the money in the bank.

 

[Cobber]

Do we know why the license was refused by the UCI yet?

 

[Bromers]

Financial issues shall we say.

 

[PCutter]

I blame whoever taught CW as an accountant that you don't bother to get pen to paper on contracts. What sort of clown runs a business like that. He's put back, or ended, the careers of 20-odd riders and 30-odd support staff because he didn't think he should bother to get signed contracts with sponsors before organizing a team!!!

I can't really see how anyone else is at fault, the reason you get contracts signed is so you can remove uncertainty, sure he probably didn't see Liverpool causing Gillett (allegedly) trouble, but if he had signed contracts, he would at least have recourse.

 

[orbis_25]

if he had signed contracts, he would at least have recourse.

Signed contracts would not have guaranteed the existence of the team. It's true that if there had been signed contracts with Gillett or any other sponsor, then there may have been some recourse available when the contract was broken. It would be unlikely, however, that would have been sufficient to run the team. As such, it's a stretch to argue that a failure to have signed contracts places the blame at Chris White's feet.

It may, of course, still be his fault. I personally favour blaming the UCI for changing the rules so suddenly, the sponsors for pulling out, and other parties for bringing the sport into disrepute in the eyes of potential backers. I'm unsure how much blame to apportion to Chris White. It seems the team was real (unlike Giancarlo Ferretti's proposed Sony Ericsson team) until the sponsors left. That's an incredibly tough position to find yourself in, and must pretty much sound the death knell of your team. How much White could have done after that I don't know. On the other hand, he may be at fault for other reasons. It's hard to know without more info.

 

[Dundee]

Chris White has to take full resposibility.

If he had gone about it quietly, if he had funding, if he received the licence or not you would not be discussing this.

It was Chris White who told the world, made promis after promis, made statements that had no real basis in fact. Like the build it and they will come fantasy, was the hype to draw the sponsors and when that did not work the dream died?

It is not diffucult to set up a pro conti team if you have the funding, as all the others who applied and received Pro Conti status can tell you.

Like most things you should learn to walk before you can run, other wise you stand a good chance on falling on your face.

 

[Sasquatch]

After all these years Chris White's true self has come to fruition. He is the only one to blame for this.

The guy is as shafty as a mine and couldn't organise sex in a brothel.

 

[PCutter]

Signed contracts would not have guaranteed the existence of the team. It's true that if there had been signed contracts with Gillett or any other sponsor, then there may have been some recourse available when the contract was broken. It would be unlikely, however, that would have been sufficient to run the team. As such, it's a stretch to argue that a failure to have signed contracts places the blame at Chris White's feet.

If he had a signed contract Gillett may have been far more reticent to pull out as it would end up in court, with a likely loss. Without a signed contract, Gillett could walk away without a second thought. If I were going to sign someone to a personal services contract, I'd make sure I'd signed my sponsors up first.

 

[danjo007]

Chris White is to blame.
He shouldn't be starting any team without the money in the bank.

indeed.. he's proven he can get some quality riders... FIRST, get some quality sponsorship!

 

[BroDeal]

The system is set up as a chicken before the egg problem except that in this case it's the chicken, egg, and rooster problem. A new team wants the license that will get them into the big events, but those licenses are not given out until well after the prime time to sign riders. The riders want to sign with a team that will get starts to the big events, but the new team does not yet have a license. The sponsors do not want to sign on until the team has secured good riders and the team is assured of riding the showcase events. So the team management is forced to lead everyone on, assuming that everything will come together at the end.

 

[Hugh Januss]

The system is set up as a chicken before the egg problem except that in this case it's the chicken, egg, and rooster problem. A new team wants the license that will get them into the big events, but those licenses are not given out until well after the prime time to sign riders. The riders want to sign with a team that will get starts to the big events, but the new team does not yet have a license. The sponsors do not want to sign on until the team has secured good riders and the team is assured of riding the showcase events. So the team management is forced to lead everyone on, assuming that everything will come together at the end.

That there is the whole deal in a nutshell. A good team owner has to be equal parts gambler and con man. You get the sponsors interested in the program with the riders that you have attracted by telling about the great sponsors you have lined up. All the while you hope that everything will align and you actually get the race invites and the license that you have told the riders and sponsors you had in the bag.

 

[rxgqgxnyfz]

Since OP made thread title ambiguous enough to lure into reading it by people who could care less about Pegasus i'm gonna go with "riders".
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Maryjane

 

[Archibald]

when did waiting ever have any purpose around here before people made decisions?

hey, it works for the UCI

Pat: "Hi Chris, we're rejecting your application"

CW: "Why?"

Pat: "err... please wait and give us a few days to make up some excuse"

 

[Tuarts]

This is what's wrong with people. Any sort of incident be it in sports, politics, natural disaster, they're always trying to blame someone or something.

Grow up.

 

[auscyclefan94]

This is what's wrong with people. Any sort of incident be it in sports, politics, natural disaster, they're always trying to blame someone or something.

Grow up.

So nobody is at fault?

 

[L'arriviste]

I'm going to sound like an apologist now, but...

hey, it works for the UCI

Pat: "Hi Chris, we're rejecting your application"

CW: "Why?"

Pat: "err... please wait and give us a few days to make up some excuse"

Normally, I'd be the first to beat the UCI with a filthy stick, but I don't see this in the same way. The UCI told White and it gave him a few days to inform riders and to try to do some housekeeping. By being thoroughly shoddy, the already bureaucratic UCI has put itself in a position where every press release needs to be checked a million times before going out, so it wouldn't surprise me if it took them that long to hammer out a line anyway.

Chris White went public with the info right away, that was his choice. What I don't like is how the UCI took the same approach with the Contador case, something which benefits nobody in an honest way.

This is what's wrong with people. Any sort of incident be it in sports, politics, natural disaster, they're always trying to blame someone or something.

Grow up.

Isn't it just the thread title? What if it was "who is responsible?" It's good to discuss responsibility - something which people don't take enough of these days - in order to figure out where things went wrong behind all the smoke and mirrors.