Some journalists have indeed been us vs them inciting fans

[Bethone]

Cycling news has been noteworthy in its coverage including the inclusion of Robert Millar's fine piece

regarding an US vs Them mentality brought about by a number of journalists, pseudo scientists and

ex racers some of who have a history of documented doping who through innuendo, and exaggerated

unsubstantiated statements have created inflamed defamation of character and charges against the yellow

jersey. On the other hand no journalist has even mentioned that some riders are performing considerably

above what is expected of an athlete at 35 years old such as the documented ex doping athlete Valverde now

sprinting uphill on finishes and lying third on GC in the Tour. I do feel that more respectable journalists come to

see, along with Millar, that they do indeed have more responsibility, in this year that French cyclist are not doing so

well that this situation does not spiral out of hand and that respect for the yellow jersey and for other countries

and clean racers is maintained.

 

[mrhender]

Moved to the clinic..

 

[Taxus4a]

Re: Some journalists have indeed been us vs them inciting fa

Cycling news has been noteworthy in its coverage including the inclusion of Robert Millar's fine piece

regarding an US vs Them mentality brought about by a number of journalists, pseudo scientists and

ex racers some of who have a history of documented doping who through innuendo, and exaggerated

unsubstantiated statements have created inflamed defamation of character and charges against the yellow

jersey. On the other hand no journalist has even mentioned that some riders are performing considerably

above what is expected of an athlete at 35 years old such as the documented ex doping athlete Valverde now

sprinting uphill on finishes and lying third on GC in the Tour. I do feel that more respectable journalists come to

see, along with Millar, that they do indeed have more responsibility, in this year that French cyclist are not doing so

well that this situation does not spiral out of hand and that respect for the yellow jersey and for other countries

and clean racers is maintained.

I quite agree, but Valverde has always been very good with hot in any kind of race... last year was a rainy Tour. Despite of that he was 4th, but of course, not at this level. But with hot he later won San Sebastian and later podium in the Vuelta.

For me is no surprise, he has had always the potential to win le Tour, but he need luck and hot.
2 years ago he was similar, but he losed time for a cut, echelon, punture or something...

Valverde is going to be at this level till 38 and at a good level till 40...if someone is surprised about that is his problem...whenever he can join luck and hot weather he will be able to podium a GT. For a clasicc, he is just the best, that doenst depend on the weather...

Of course several riders that now are with the best doped in the past, some of them now are worse and other are even better. Nothing strange, but things changed.

 

[gazr99]

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Moved to the clinic..

Poor bloke

 

[Gogojv]

Go to procyclingstats -- click Valverde easy to find the no1 in cq ranking. Click random years.
Next go to youtube. Search Valverde - watch some of Valverdes races.
Next: Edit your post

 

[gazr99]

To be fair Valverde has been GC nearly man for a few years now and his record at Ardennes Classics has always been good so he is not as much as a surprise. Everyone has their own agenda, opinions on/strong relationships with teams/riders including journalists, which will always colour the way they report.

Which is why in the UK we are shocked and astounded anyone can call our riders/team a cheat, the same way I'm sure if the Italian press started questioning Contador/Valverde the Spanish would be furious, whether it is true or not.

 

[SeriousSam]

Talking about media, their coverage of doping, how teams respond to suspicion more generally, I wonder whether cycling teams would ever consider extending their PR/damage control efforts to paying people to post on forums.

 

[gazr99]

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Talking about media, their coverage of doping, how teams respond to suspicion more generally, I wonder whether cycling teams would ever consider extending their PR/damage control efforts to paying people to post on forums.

Coming from a PR background, teams would be more likely to ask a low level social media/PR guy to defend them and throw accusations at other riders. Money wouldn't even change hands and the team can just claim he did by himself if caught

I could see teams paying journalists though

 

[Benotti69]

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this is freekin worse than the sino spam that wants to sell us ipods for 2 bucks.


get the hint.

sky and vroome are doping. sir dave brailsford is fake tanning and still golem.

and your yellow jersey respect spam is not appreciated.

try the yellow jersey respect on sky and vroome, and those urinatarians[sic] over at sky

Post of the Month.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

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Talking about media, their coverage of doping, how teams respond to suspicion more generally, I wonder whether cycling teams would ever consider extending their PR/damage control efforts to paying people to post on forums.

Armstrong's guys already did.

Anyway, there IS an "us vs. them" mentality, but the British media and Team Sky themselves are just as culpable in creating it as the media who doubt them, if not more.

 

[the sceptic]

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Talking about media, their coverage of doping, how teams respond to suspicion more generally, I wonder whether cycling teams would ever consider extending their PR/damage control efforts to paying people to post on forums.

pretty sure they already do

 

[Tonton]

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Talking about media, their coverage of doping, how teams respond to suspicion more generally, I wonder whether cycling teams would ever consider extending their PR/damage control efforts to paying people to post on forums.

Nice

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

Talking about media, their coverage of doping, how teams respond to suspicion more generally, I wonder whether cycling teams would ever consider extending their PR/damage control efforts to paying people to post on forums.

Coming from a PR background, teams would be more likely to ask a low level social media/PR guy to defend them and throw accusations at other riders. Money wouldn't even change hands and the team can just claim he did by himself if caught

I could see teams paying journalists though

Walsh is already on the payroll.

 

[wendybnt]

Just a thought.......would Froome be accepted if, like Valverde and Contador he was caught and convicted?

 

[noddy69]

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Just a thought.......would Froome be accepted if, like Valverde and Contador he was caught and convicted?

No but he would be Kenyan

 

[yaco]

Will say a couple of things

- French press have a history of getting leaks/info from within the bowels of the TDF. I doubt this is hard data about doping but more along the lines of unusual testing results. Combine this with ''off the record comments' from other riders, then you have a storm brewing.

- Then add the French mentality to be less accepting of doping - As a point in case these issues rarely arise at the Giro or the Vuelta where it appears than in Spain and Italy doping may be more accepted

- Then you add in the cultural factors at play where Sky an English team, is not necessarily considered an European team - You can also read into this Armstrong an Amrerican.

- I have no doubt that the French Press obtains some inside information and is playing it up as much as possible.

 

[Tonton]

Re: Some journalists have indeed been us vs them inciting fa

Bethone, rest assured that team La Vie Pas Claire is an equal opportunity employer. In the Fantasy Doping Draft, I picked both Dawg and Piti . And Vino .

 

[red_flanders]

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Talking about media, their coverage of doping, how teams respond to suspicion more generally, I wonder whether cycling teams would ever consider extending their PR/damage control efforts to paying people to post on forums.

Standard practice with Postal and Public Strategies. Been there, done that...

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Re: Some journalists have indeed been us vs them inciting fa

Bethone, rest assured that team La Vie Pas Claire is an equal opportunity employer. In the Fantasy Doping Draft, I picked both Dawg and Piti . And Vino .

I picked Jalabert, so you can do one

 

[blackcat]

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Just a thought.......would Froome be accepted if, like Valverde and Contador he was caught and convicted?

no
vroom and brits dont dope. they just win african mines full of olympic gold because of their muscular christianity and chariots of fire and gordonstoun

 

[gooner]

Re: Re:

Talking about media, their coverage of doping, how teams respond to suspicion more generally, I wonder whether cycling teams would ever consider extending their PR/damage control efforts to paying people to post on forums.

Armstrong's guys already did.

Anyway, there IS an "us vs. them" mentality, but the British media and Team Sky themselves are just as culpable in creating it as the media who doubt them, if not more.

As bad as each other. Both sides of the fence.

And why I finished with the Tour after Cummings win. As a big football fan, one thing I disliked was the huge tribalism and the intense rivalries between fans of clubs which resulted in a toxic atmosphere around it. I always felt watching cycling got me away from that with the spectacle side of the sport.

That was all until this Tour.

 

[the sceptic]

since when was the british media any different? their blind patriotism didn't start this year.

 

[The Hitch]

Re: Re:

Talking about media, their coverage of doping, how teams respond to suspicion more generally, I wonder whether cycling teams would ever consider extending their PR/damage control efforts to paying people to post on forums.

Armstrong's guys already did.

Anyway, there IS an "us vs. them" mentality, but the British media and Team Sky themselves are just as culpable in creating it as the media who doubt them, if not more.

As bad as each other. Both sides of the fence.

And why I finished with the Tour after Cummings win. As a big football fan, one thing I disliked was the huge tribalism and the intense rivalries between fans of clubs which resulted in a toxic atmosphere around it. I always felt watching cycling got me away from that with the spectacle side of the sport.

That was all until this Tour.

lol. When even a rabid Sky defender like gooner is trying to cut their losses and apportion the blame equally to both sides, you know exactly who is in the wrong

 

[blackcat]

chariots offire

 

[Lyon]

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chariots offire

Protestant ethics and cleanliness...