Stage 21: May 27th Milano- Milano 30k ITT

[The Hitch]

But Vaughters wasnt the DS for the Giro..... You sure you know what you're talking about?

What was that about Contador joining Garmin and Armstrong not riding the 2010 Tour and no team wanting to take Cavendish.

You know all those sure things that made sceptical people "idiots" who "didn't know what they were talking about" etc etc.

 

[gatete]

Cunego Scarponi

I'm surprised nobody here has mentioned the controversy surrounding Scarponi and Cunego among the italian tv (rai) I watched the giro there (thanks a lot Time warner) and italian press and everybody were talking about How Cunego's attacks simply hurted scarponi's chances of podium, have you guys heard anything about this? (no links available)

 

[180mmCrank]

I'm surprised nobody here has mentioned the controversy surrounding Scarponi and Cunego among the italian tv (rai) I watched the giro there (thanks a lot Time warner) and italian press and everybody were talking about How Cunego's attacks simply hurted scarponi's chances of podium, have you guys heard anything about this? (no links available)

I can imagine that it caused some fuss. AND no there has been no mention of this as far as I can tell.

What specifically was the theory... that Cunego shoud have been helping rather than attacking?

 

[BillytheKid]

I can imagine that it caused some fuss. AND no there has been no mention of this as far as I can tell.

What specifically was the theory... that Cunego shoud have been helping rather than attacking?

Well they have to have something to write about, but I don't really think there was much helping to be had on that monster. In the end, they all did it on their own. Ryder most of all.

Great ride by Hesjedal. They all looked completely exhusted on the podium. Epic Giro. Too bad I did not get to see most of it.

I thought this interesting in terms of the suffering that one can go through:

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012...mpstens-giro-i-was-so-happy-to-survive_221346

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Hah cmon the only way De Gendt could've won is doing a minute better than Pinotti which would be by far the best ITT of his life, even far better than the Tour ITT. Your expectations prior to the ITT were simply unrealistic and you underrated Hesjedal like I said before. But my arguments were void, right?

Sure they were. And my expectations were certainly not unrealistic. I never said he would take that time back on Hesjedal. I even explicitely said i wasn't sure he would take ANY time back on Hesjedal. Your argument had nothing to do with the situation at hand, as the example came from a 1 week race where neither had heavily invested in a GC, where neither had to cope with pressure and stress. You know, the same reason why Kreuziger or Brajkovic can win a 1 week race but never deliver in GT's? Can't be compared.

Reading comprehension.

I simply said it was certainly not impossible and more than once implied Hesjedal would have to suffer from nerves in order for the scenario to take place, but that the situation for him was unique as well. So no, i stand by my assessment.

But if you think Hesjedal and Rodriguez would on average not lose 10 and 60 seconds respectively in a +/- 30km ITT to De Gendt, i would surely have to disagree. They did extraordinarily well given the circumstances, and De Gendt was just "good".

 

[gatete]

I can imagine that it caused some fuss. AND no there has been no mention of this as far as I can tell.

What specifically was the theory... that Cunego shoud have been helping rather than attacking?

My italian is very bad but for what I undestood the Processo a la tappa pannel were all over the "controversy" where they repeteadly mention nothing was gained about Cunego's attack other than Scarponis losses, then they bluntly asked scarponi, he very diplomatic answered that he didn't want to get in to the controversy but did mention something on the lines of: "we'll see what happens to this team", it caught my attention and I just wanted to learn more from it due to as I mentioned before due to my poor italian I might've understood it wrongly.

 

[greenedge]

Congrats to Pinotti- he i think would have won anyways over Phinney, he just has more experience/ trains for those longer events.

Congrats to Hesjedal for winning.
I feel sorry for JROD but Hesjedal did not exactly even lose time in the mountains, so the strongest rider won.

Congrats to De Gendt for finishing off his Giro so well and for getting on the podium.

 

[greenedge]

Yeah.

Alberto fans hang around all year long, nice, no?

I hang around ( and i support the Evans fan club )- though some of course don't. The problem is he is not really doing any races ( until the Dauphinie ) and i also appreciate taking time off to cheer for other riders as well.

 

[greenedge]

fair enough. my apologies. i just got tired of all the whining about the race.

i thought it was an pretty exciting giro. there should have been more ITT.

Sounds like an ok idea ( maybe less TTT ) and more ITT would have helped some riders attack in the mountains more.

 

[I Watch Cycling In July]

I'm surprised nobody here has mentioned the controversy surrounding Scarponi and Cunego among the italian tv (rai) I watched the giro there (thanks a lot Time warner) and italian press and everybody were talking about How Cunego's attacks simply hurted scarponi's chances of podium, have you guys heard anything about this? (no links available)

Yeah, I don't get all the love for Cunego here. If Cunego eased off after De Gendt attacked, then spent his energy working with Vande Valde to close the gap, Scarponi would probably have at least made it onto the podium. Instead he flicks his team and fails to deliver, as usual.

Would be fun to see Cunego, Gadret and Kreuziger on the same team

 

[hrotha]

Yeah, I don't get all the love for Cunego here. If Cunego eased off after De Gendt attacked, then spent his energy working with Vande Valde to close the gap, Scarponi would probably have at least made it onto the podium. Instead he flicks his team and fails to deliver, as usual.

Would be fun to see Cunego, Gadret and Kreuziger on the same team

I completely disagree. In my opinion, Cunego has been treated like dirt by Lampre, like an afterthought. The planification of his racing calendar has been awful. He was the only one in the team who tried to race, and was sabotaged by his own teammate (Ulissi). He shouldn't even have ridden the Giro, but since he was here (clearly past his peak) he deserved some respect. Garmin were working, Vande Velde was killing himself to keep the gap as much under control as possible, and then it was up to Hesjedal. That's when Scarponi should have stepped up, to try to win, not to podium. Cunego could have helped massively, but when he was up the road and could have served as a bridge Scarponi didn't move.

 

[Richeypen]

I completely disagree. In my opinion, Cunego has been treated like dirt by Lampre, like an afterthought. The planification of his racing calendar has been awful. He was the only one in the team who tried to race, and was sabotaged by his own teammate (Ulissi). He shouldn't even have ridden the Giro, but since he was here (clearly past his peak) he deserved some respect. Garmin were working, Vande Velde was killing himself to keep the gap as much under control as possible, and then it was up to Hesjedal. That's when Scarponi should have stepped up, to try to win, not to podium. Cunego could have helped massively, but when he was up the road and could have served as a bridge Scarponi didn't move.

This


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[I Watch Cycling In July]

I completely disagree. In my opinion, Cunego has been treated like dirt by Lampre, like an afterthought. The planification of his racing calendar has been awful. He was the only one in the team who tried to race, and was sabotaged by his own teammate (Ulissi). He shouldn't even have ridden the Giro, but since he was here (clearly past his peak) he deserved some respect. Garmin were working, Vande Velde was killing himself to keep the gap as much under control as possible, and then it was up to Hesjedal. That's when Scarponi should have stepped up, to try to win, not to podium. Cunego could have helped massively, but when he was up the road and could have served as a bridge Scarponi didn't move.

I really don't think Scarponi had the legs to do more. He attacked and got a gap but I got the impression Hesjedal was beginning to close it by the end of the stage. Can't remember specific incidents, but when Cunego was up the road and commentators were talking about him helping Scarponi or going for the stage win, I was definitely thinking "Oh fark off, Cunego never rides for anyone but himself and he won't have the legs to finish what he started either." Perhaps he is being dissed by his team, but the dissing appears to be mutual to me.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

Sure they were. And my expectations were certainly not unrealistic. I never said he would take that time back on Hesjedal. I even explicitely said i wasn't sure he would take ANY time back on Hesjedal. Your argument had nothing to do with the situation at hand, as the example came from a 1 week race where neither had heavily invested in a GC, where neither had to cope with pressure and stress. You know, the same reason why Kreuziger or Brajkovic can win a 1 week race but never deliver in GT's? Can't be compared.

Reading comprehension.

I simply said it was certainly not impossible and more than once implied Hesjedal would have to suffer from nerves in order for the scenario to take place, but that the situation for him was unique as well. So no, i stand by my assessment.

But if you think Hesjedal and Rodriguez would on average not lose 10 and 60 seconds respectively in a +/- 30km ITT to De Gendt, i would surely have to disagree. They did extraordinarily well given the circumstances, and De Gendt was just "good".

you simply fail to understand context, that is clear.

 

[The Hitch]

great to see the teammates sharing in the victory they helped create

https://twitter.com/Vaughters/status/206774066424725505/photo/1/large

 

[Ripper]

great to see the teammates sharing in the victory they helped create

https://twitter.com/Vaughters/status/206774066424725505/photo/1/large

One thing I have found quite good to see is Ryder's, and all of Garmin's, appreciation for the teamword involved to make this happen.

Ryder presents as pretty low key and he is a really grounded fella. Does not tend to come across as a typical GT racer. I think he was fairly full of praise of his competitors as well (at least publically).

Of course, being Canadian, I've been over the moon today. And given I raced today, I am only now getting to make comments

 

[LaFlorecita]

What was that about Contador joining Garmin and Armstrong not riding the 2010 Tour and no team wanting to take Cavendish.

You know all those sure things that made sceptical people "idiots" who "didn't know what they were talking about" etc etc.

Oooh.....!

Hitchfight. I say bring it on!

 

[SafeBet]

I completely disagree. In my opinion, Cunego has been treated like dirt by Lampre, like an afterthought. The planification of his racing calendar has been awful. He was the only one in the team who tried to race, and was sabotaged by his own teammate (Ulissi). He shouldn't even have ridden the Giro, but since he was here (clearly past his peak) he deserved some respect. Garmin were working, Vande Velde was killing himself to keep the gap as much under control as possible, and then it was up to Hesjedal. That's when Scarponi should have stepped up, to try to win, not to podium. Cunego could have helped massively, but when he was up the road and could have served as a bridge Scarponi didn't move.

Perfect.
Ulissi should really get a mention among the worst riders of this Giro. Saving his legs to get his 23th placement in mountain stages instead of working his *** off for his captains.
He's got a lot to learn.

 

[Fresca]

Good Marco Pinotti interview on VeloVeritas

There's a good career summary and a nice interview with Marco Pinotti on VeloVeritas.co.uk:

http://www.veloveritas.co.uk/2012/06/05/marco-pinotti-interview/