Swiss amateur cyclist banned for ordering a Edgar and steakN

[sniper]

Swiss amateur cyclist banned for ordering Edgar and Spanish steak

Swiss 30-year old amateur cyclist Roger Nachbur busted for ordering EPO and Clenbuterol online. Suspended for 2 years.
Are these two products really still on top of a cyclist's wishlist? Tracing them seems quite easy these days. Do these guys have that much confidence in the corresponding masking agents?
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Other interesting fact: the Swiss anti-doping rules apparently allow for a conviction based solely on the ordering of PEDs. Does anybody know if Swiss anti-doping rules are pioneering in this respect?

In addition, a 41-year old speed skater busted for ordering Testoviron, Trenbolon Acetat und Clomifen. Same punishment for him.

http://www.sport.sf.tv/Nachrichten/...gen-Doping-Bestellung-per-Internet-verurteilt

 

[Echoes]

De Vlaeminck trashes Gilbert

Just read Roger De Vlaeminck Mijn memoires, onverbloemd - De koers is nooit gedaan

These lines were just fun :

"Italië was 30, 40 jaar geleden samen met België het land van het wielrennen. Toen hadden ze nog coureurs, nu hebben ze er geen enkele meer. Nederland ook niet en België heeft er nog maar één: Tom Boonen. Wat er met Gilbert aan de hand was, daar durf ik niet over uit te spreken. Zegt u me eens wat er aan de hand was? Het is onmogelijk dat je zo slecht bent. Vorig jaar reed hij van iedereen weg. Waarin zit het verschil?"

My translation:

30, 40 years ago Italy was along with Belgium, the cycling country. They still had riders back then. Now they don't have any left. Neither do the Netherlands and Belgium has only one left: Tom Boonen. Wat's going on with Gilbert I don't dare speak out. Would you tell me what's going on with him? It's impossible to be so bad. Last year, he dropped everybody. Where's the difference?

It was published before the Vuelta though.

A lot is implied in these comments !

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Swiss 30-year old amateur cyclist Roger Nachbur busted for ordering EPO and Clenbuterol online. Suspended for 2 years.
Are these two products really still on top of a cyclist's wishlist? Tracing them seems quite easy these days. Do these guys have that much confidence in the corresponding masking agents?

For someone who is not shy in connecting dots and coming up with bizarre conspiracy theories it is amazing that you are so naive about PED use.

EPO will always be the first choice of any doping cyclist because it works so well.
The clenbuterol positive was not a cyclist. Edit: actually another report says it was the cyclist. Clen appears to be used to loose weight, if so then it would be another PED that cyclists would take.

http://www.sport.sf.tv/Nachrichten/Archiv/2012/09/13/Mehr-Sport/Sportler-wegen-Doping-Bestellung-per-Internet-verurteilt[/url]

Nothing pioneering at all.
"Use or attempted use" is written in the WADA code.

 

[sniper]

For someone who is not shy in connecting dots and coming up with bizarre conspiracy theories it is amazing that you are so naive about PED use.

EPO will always be the first choice of any doping cyclist because it works so well.
The clenbuterol positive was not a cyclist. Edit: actually another report says it was the cyclist. Clen appears to be used to loose weight, if so then it would be another PED that cyclists would take.

Nothing pioneering at all.
"Use or attempted use" is written in the WADA code.

Thanks for that clarification. I don't agree naive is the right word. Ignorant is more like it. I readily admit I'm rather ignorant of the technical side of doping.

Thanks for the ref to the WADA code. But does buying PEDs online fall under "Attempted use" in the WADA code?

p.s. what conspiracy? I don't recall any. I just thought one of the reasons Saxo went to Israel was to try and bake sweet cookies for the Israeli head of the CAS jury. That it didn't work doesn't mean they didn't try. Would you say it is naive to think attempts at bribery take place in cycling? rolleyes:

 

[Robert21]

Swiss 30-year old amateur cyclist Roger Nachbur busted for ordering EPO and Clenbuterol online. Suspended for 2 years.
Are these two products really still on top of a cyclist's wishlist? Tracing them seems quite easy these days. Do these guys have that much confidence in the corresponding masking agents?
.
Other interesting fact: the Swiss anti-doping rules apparently allow for a conviction based solely on the ordering of PEDs. Does anybody know if Swiss anti-doping rules are pioneering in this respect?

In addition, a 41-year old speed skater busted for ordering Testoviron, Trenbolon Acetat und Clomifen. Same punishment for him.

http://www.sport.sf.tv/Nachrichten/...gen-Doping-Bestellung-per-Internet-verurteilt

That's quite a change in attitude, given that a few years ago not only could anyone buy Epo over the counter in Switzerland without a prescription, it was not unknown for the pharmacist to give out advice on the suitable dosage for sporting use!

 

[sniper]

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Nothing pioneering at all.
"Use or attempted use" is written in the WADA code.

Wasn't Pozzato handed a three months ban only, even though he admitted to having attempted to dope himself?
I mean, to hand out a two year ban for ordering PEDs seems pioneering in as far as I don't recall any other country doing that. On the contrary, I seem to remember cases (have no links though) where people busted for ordering PEDs were let off the hook because "(attempted) use" could not be established.

That's quite a change in attitude, given that a few years ago not only could anyone buy Epo over the counter in Switzerland without a prescription, it was not unknown for the pharmacist to give out advice on the suitable dosage for sporting use!

interesting!
i'd be interested to know how these (new) swiss anti-doping regulations compare to other countries.

 

[Robert21]

i'd be interested to know how these (new) swiss anti-doping regulations compare to other countries.

I doubt that they are any more stringent than elsewhere, given that the Swiss are notoriously reluctant to bring in any legislation that in any way gets in the way of their favourite pass-time of 'doing business'.

Most other countries banned the supply of Epo years before the Swiss did, and WADA rules already allow for someone to be banned for reasons other than a positive test, as has already been noted.

 

[sniper]

I doubt that they are any more stringent than elsewhere, given that the Swiss are notoriously reluctant to bring in any legislation that in any way gets in the way of their favourite pass-time of 'doing business'.

Most other countries banned the supply of Epo years before the Swiss did, and WADA rules already allow for someone to be banned for reasons other than a positive test, as has already been noted.

pozzato just got a three month ban. there is a difference between three months and two years. seems that at least in this particular case the swiss have been tougher on doping than the italians.
on the other hand, the amateur cyclist is ofcourse but a small sheep, so i'd agree this doesn't say much overall.

 

[Cloxxki]

Did I read over the interesting part? How did they find out?

 

[sniper]

Did I read over the interesting part? How did they find out?

good question.
the answer is in this press release, which is a bit more informative than the one i posted earlier:
http://www.blick.ch/sport/rad/verbotene-substanzen-im-internet-bestellt-id2034011.html

Premieren für den Schweizer Sport. In beiden Fällen wurde die Bestellung verbotener, rezeptpflichtiger Substanzen via Internet nachgewiesen. Das gaben die Hobbysportler bei der Anhörung zu, nachdem Sendungen aus dem Ausland am Schweizer Zoll aufgefallen und Antidoping Schweiz gemeldet worden waren.

«Das ist ein entscheidender Schritt vorwärts in unserer Dopingbekämpfung», sagt Matthias Kamber, Leiter von Antidoping Schweiz zu BLICK. «Es zeigt, dass unsere Zusammenarbeit mit den Zollbehörden funktioniert. Und die wird mit dem neuen Dopinggesetz, das per 1. Oktober 2012 in Kraft tritt, noch intensiviert.»

so the swiss do seem full of good intentions.

 

[frenchfry]

Swiss 30-year old amateur cyclist Roger Nachbur busted for ordering EPO and Clenbuterol online. Suspended for 2 years.
Are these two products really still on top of a cyclist's wishlist? Tracing them seems quite easy these days. Do these guys have that much confidence in the corresponding masking agents?
.
Other interesting fact: the Swiss anti-doping rules apparently allow for a conviction based solely on the ordering of PEDs. Does anybody know if Swiss anti-doping rules are pioneering in this respect?
In addition, a 41-year old speed skater busted for ordering Testoviron, Trenbolon Acetat und Clomifen. Same punishment for him.

http://www.sport.sf.tv/Nachrichten/...gen-Doping-Bestellung-per-Internet-verurteilt

The trick is to have your husband/coach order for you, and have it delivered to a friend's home. Works every time, right Jeannie.

 

[sniper]

The trick is to have your husband/coach order for you, and have it delivered to a friend's home. Works every time, right Jeannie.

or have the soigneur with an animal farm order it for the whole team, so you get a group discount and a good alibi.